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Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 05 May 04:00PM
     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 05 May 04:22PM
         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Philip R, 05 May 04:32PM
             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 05 May 04:35PM
                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 05 May 04:37PM
                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Rob Tuley, 05 May 05:12PM
                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 05 May 05:47PM
                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 05 May 05:55PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Philip R, 05 May 06:19PM
                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Cause, 05 May 07:13PM
                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Albert, 05 May 07:22PM
                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Enns, 05 May 07:54PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Peter Roos, 05 May 11:37PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - wcreed, 05 May 11:59PM
                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 06 May 01:19AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 12:50PM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Kai Struck, 06 May 11:42PM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 06 May 11:59PM
                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Venancio @ Avid, 06 May 12:38AM
                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 01:26AM
                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Dave P-B, 06 May 01:57AM
                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 03:08AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 04:04AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Russell H, 06 May 08:56AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 04:04AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Crawley, 06 May 09:01AM
                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 09:25AM
                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Joe @ Sibelius, 06 May 10:57AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 06 May 10:59AM
                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 11:49AM
                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 06 May 12:54PM
                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 01:12PM
                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 01:16PM
                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Adrian Drover, 06 May 02:31PM
                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 02:57PM
                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 03:26PM
                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 06 May 02:59PM
                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 03:13PM
                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Crawley, 06 May 04:01PM
                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 04:20PM
                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 05:01PM
                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 05:04PM
                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 06 May 05:28PM
                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Crawley, 06 May 06:23PM
                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 06 May 09:13PM
                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 06 May 10:13PM
                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Peter Roos, 07 May 12:12AM
                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Kai Struck, 06 May 10:52PM
                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 11:17PM
                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Franklin, 07 May 02:00AM
                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 07 May 03:00AM
                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Franklin, 07 May 03:41AM
                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 07 May 02:21AM
                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 07 May 02:30AM
                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 07 May 02:43AM
                                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 07 May 02:54AM
                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 07 May 06:32AM
                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 07 May 09:58AM
                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - RobP, 07 May 11:03AM
                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 07 May 11:10AM
                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Adrian Drover, 07 May 06:41AM
                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 07 May 07:02AM
                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 07 May 06:29PM
                                                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 04:07AM
                                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 08 May 04:48AM
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 06:31AM
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 08 May 02:58PM
                                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 03:37PM
                                                                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - John Dylan, 16 May 01:09AM
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Mike Lyons, 16 May 06:03AM
                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Serendipity, 16 May 09:14AM
                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Rob Catlender, 16 May 11:59AM
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Davey, 16 May 02:04PM
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - RobP, 16 May 07:35PM
                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 17 May 10:50PM
                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 12 Jun 12:16PM

Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 05 May 04:00PM (edited 05 May 06:36PM)
Hi All,

We're pleased to announce the release of Sibelius 8.3. This comes just over a month after 8.2 and improves on the note sliding feature we added in 8.2, along with adding the ability to colour notes individually in a chord.

We've also made around 60 further improvements, including the following:


  • Reset Design no longer affects accidentals like it did in 8.2

  • Multi-touch gestures on Mac are improved so scrolling, zooming and switching between windows should be much more responsive

  • The Sibelius License Server now installs correctly on Mac OS X 10.11 El Capitan

  • Plus fixes to various miscellaneous crashes



Sibelius 8.3 is available to all Sibelius 8 users with an active support plan (right now, that's everyone who has a new perpetual license or has upgraded) or active subscription. To download 8.3, run Avid Application Manager on your computer, or head over to your Avid Master Account.

If you haven't upgraded to Sibelius 8 yet, you can do so from our webstore or from one of our many resellers. If you'd like to try 8.3 out before buying, you can download the 30-day trial for free from www.sibelius.com/trial.

To find out more about the changes and improvemnts in 8.3, please visit AvidBlogs.com.

We hope you enjoy 8.3.

Sam, Joe and the entire Sibelius team

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 May 04:22PM
>Reset Design now only affects the score or part you have in focus, rather than both

But does it still treat enharmonic note spellings as a Design feature? If so, it still makes Reset Design unusable, in score or part.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Philip R - 05 May 04:32PM
> >Reset Design now only affects the score or part you have in focus, rather than both
>
> But does it still treat enharmonic note spellings as a Design feature? If so, it still makes Reset Design unusable, in score or part.

No. I think what Sam said was somewhat inaccurate. Reset Design in 8.3 does not affect enharmonic spellings in either the score or the part.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by David - 05 May 04:35PM
From the other page:

-- When using Reset Design in the score, it no longer affects accidentals in the part. This is a change in behavior from Sibelius 8.2 where resetting the design on a note or larger selection would reset the accidental in the parts too.
8.2, Windows 10

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 05 May 04:37PM
Sorry for the confusion. I've amended the post above.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Rob Tuley - 05 May 05:12PM
I'm intrigued by the idea that "various miscellaneous crashes" are "improvements". Was that a typo for "enhancements" (in the software-developer's sense of the word)?

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 05 May 05:47PM
Sam, thx for the new release. It downloading without a hitch!

Also for putting the Activate/Deactivate option under Licensing in the AP which I asked for.
(I tried it, deactivating and reactivating and it also worked correctly.

If possible, could you all put in what we're updating TO under AP>Apps tab as in screenshot.

It's a little ambiguous now.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by David - 05 May 05:55PM
I downloaded it. After disabling my hotkeys (my screen would rotate with "Ctrl+Alt+Arrow"), the sliding notes feature is really nice. Thanks for that, I can see it being a big time-saver.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Philip R - 05 May 06:19PM
Here's my blog post, for those interested:

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-8-3-released/

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Cause - 05 May 07:13PM
What is the big deal about individual note colors? What is the pressing need to make colored notes (which Avid touts as a big deal) rather than fixing incorrect notation and poor usability problems?

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Albert - 05 May 07:22PM
Hi,
what's the matter with your installer. I loaded it from my Avid Acount. It does not install. More than 1 hour "Checking Installer"
Albert

Macbook Pro (Yosemite) 10.11.4

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Robert Enns - 05 May 07:54PM (edited 05 May 10:59PM)
I start Avid Account Manager on my computer.
Two choices...
Update Sibelius 8.2
Update Manager

Clicking Either one I get "failed unknown error" or I get "downloading and it stays st 0% forever.

And if I go to my account via Explorer I don't see any place to update 8.2.
All I see is upgrade from 7.5 which I did long ago.

Avid does not make this remotely easy or intuitive.
Grrrr.

Finally found the download and it is installed and working.


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Rob
Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.2
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Peter Roos - 05 May 11:37PM
Congratulations Sam and team!

A smooth download and installation.

Just one question, and bear with me, I'm the resident village idiot, what's the deal with the colored notes in chords? Why would people use that? If it's for voice leading, Sibelius already had colored voices, no?

ps for everyone who is experiencing technical difficulties downloading through the Avid Application manager --- just ignore that, log in to your Avid account on an internet browser, and download it from there.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by wcreed - 05 May 11:59PM
> what's the deal with the colored notes in chords

My question exactly. what could be more useless?


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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 06 May 01:19AM
Bob Z. and Kai had a wonderfully thought out plugin to do what Sibelius has now added...(to fill out their offering?).
They could not add something a little more substantial like dashed and dotted editorial ties?!!

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 12:50PM (edited 06 May 12:51PM)
> Bob Z. and Kai had a wonderfully thought out plugin to do what Sibelius has now added...(to fill out their offering?).
> They could not add something a little more substantial like dashed and dotted editorial ties?!!
>

There seems to be a sector of Sibelius users who want coloured notes. As esoterically unnecessary for me as (say) quarter-tone notations. But some work in primary education, some write for the Arditti Quartet.


I'm pleased to see that Manuscript is being updated alongside the new feature. The ability of Bob Z. (and others) to achieve, like the Red Queen, "six impossible things before breakfast" extends. There's no possible way a plugin could achieve dashed ties. Is there?


The big issue for me is whether the present developers/testers are becoming capable of adding a feature without breaking another. Not that the old team were faultless in this respect, but they weren't attempting continuous rolling updates. It's a dangerous policy.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Kai Struck - 06 May 11:42PM
Just curious: What would be the difference to using dotted or dashed slurs from the lines menu for that?

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 06 May 11:59PM
Visually no difference. Playback is the issue when sending audio files. I have one sight impaired colleague that reviews work through auditory means only.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Venancio @ Avid - 06 May 12:38AM
> Hi,
> what's the matter with your installer. I loaded it from my Avid Acount. It does not install. More than 1 hour "Checking Installer"
> Albert
>
> Macbook Pro (Yosemite) 10.11.4

Hi Albert,

Try these:

1) Re-download your installer to make sure it's not corrupted

2) http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/security-privacy-on-os-x-3623523/

* Security & Privacy pane in System Preferences
* General tab
* Allow apps downloaded from:
* Choose "Anywhere"

After a successful installation, just set it back to the middle option.

3) https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18894?locale=en_US

1. Select the installer file, then choose File > Get Info.
2. Scroll down and if the information in Sharing & Permissions isn’t visible, click the disclosure triangle.
3. Click the lock icon to unlock it, then enter an administrator name and password.
4. Click the Cog icon
5. Set everything to "Read and Write"

Vee
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 06 May 01:26AM
Colored notes are absolutely unnecessary . . . unless you've taught 3rd and 4th graders.

I worked as Artist in Residence for MNMP (Manhattan New Music Project) and YANY (no, not the pianist, but "Young Audiences New York") and also for George Washington School funded by Bette Midler.

At times, I would use colored notes to teach recorder and piano. I would even print out 30 or so copies on stock paper for the students using large notes with colors and their faces never failed to light up with appreciation.

Formerly, to accomplish this (with the ability for color chords), you had to install the downloadable plugins Colored Notehead Styles (which actually installs several plugins) and Color Enharmonic Pitches, both from category Color.

So I would hazard a guess that this feature is aimed at the underpaid, overworked teachers of our children and not accomplished composers such as ourselves . . . or perhaps teachers that are accomplished composers :-)

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Dave P-B - 06 May 01:57AM (edited 06 May 01:57AM)

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 03:08AM
>What is the big deal about individual note colors? What is the pressing need to make colored notes (which Avid touts as a big deal) rather than fixing incorrect notation and poor usability problems?

>what's the deal with the colored notes in chords? Why would people use that? If it's for voice leading, Sibelius already had colored voices, no?

>> what's the deal with the colored notes in chords

>My question exactly. what could be more useless?

>Colored notes are absolutely unnecessary . . . unless you've taught 3rd and 4th graders.

On Apr 11 I noted that:

"the ability to color notes individually, (is) an idea on Ideascale asked for by ONE user--aptly named "sibelius".

I add my voice to those above and others, concerning this feature and choosing these kinds of features

Joe had written:

http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=691189&groupid=3&words=implement&name=Joe%20@%20Sibelius#691208

"Once an idea has been posted, I weigh it up against all the other things we have on our roadmap, taking into account how much effort it requires, how technically difficult it would be to implement, and how many users are asking for it."

So this feature had but 1 user asking for it, but it seems the deciding factor on this and ALL features comes down to IF the three technical teams--more likely the one in Montreal- has the technical ability to do something, and for it to work, and not break anything else.

With this kind of situation, and the subscription plan, Im afraid people WONT see many of the kinds of features that they really need and want, but WILL see stuff like colored notes etc.

And the two other main feature of this Sib 8. 3 release, besides the color individual notes is the sliding note feature, introduced in Sib 8.2 as a new feature and was found to have real problems has now been worked on, and the "Reset Design" bug, also from Sib 8.2, written about here:

http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=694953&groupid=3&words=color%20notes&name=Morabito#696095

It was fixed, but the fix wasnt given to users but delayed to fatten up this 8.3 release, as a feature.

Again, this policy--releasing something buggy, or not really working, and then fixing it and using it as a feature of the NEXT update has been remarked upon and is felt to be very unfair.

YMMV

Thanks Bob
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 04:04AM
Also in the past it has been remarked upon by not just one user about the seemingly careless way things seem to be done--email, the forum, botched releases, etc etc--and this giving the appearance of widespread 'incompetence'.

It was described by one "as the Keystone Kops running the show."

This Sib 8.3 release right from Sam's original ill worded announcement above, (now corrected) to the many people not being able to even download the update, as seen all over the forum, to again even the 'features' themselves:

1) the ability to color individual notes
2) the fixing of the Reset Design bug introduced in Sib 8.2
3) the fixing of the Siding notes feature introduced in Sib 8.2 which had real problems.

just seems to further prove this idea, sorry to say.

And this from the Sibelius blog, by Philip Rothman to me is quite telling:

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-8-3-released/

"It’s encouraging to see the Sibelius team hitting a stride with regular updates and new features. A cautionary note, though: the more rapid development cycle brings with it the increased possibility of new bugs, the like the one affecting Reset Design as noted above. It’s good to see these items fixed in the subsequent release, but if you rely on Sibelius for critical work, you might consider a conservative approach and wait for public feedback before deciding whether to download the latest update."

This, in a very nice way speaks similarly of the oft mentioned comment:

"The stated policy is continual micro-updates. I'm not sure this is working too well - they seem to be including rather too many unfinished and poorly-tested changes - but that's what is on offer."

This may very well be the last update seen before the subscription deadline, and was thought to be by many a deciding factor whether to subscribe or not.

Lastly YMMV with the thoughts expressed here, and for those completely satisfied with Sib 8. 3 please enjoy using it.

Thanks Bob
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Russell H - 06 May 08:56AM
Sibelius team - well done on getting another release out the door. Is that 3 this year?! Long may it continue.

I too am enthused by the frequency of releases. At this rate, we should see another before the end of June too (here's hoping!).

Russell

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 06 May 04:04AM (edited 06 May 05:51AM)
Yes, and Joe also wrote:
Just saying that I miss the days when the forum felt like a friendlier place.

Sam Butler and Joe Pearson may work for Avid but they are not AVID itself. They have been trying hard to work with us, address our complaints, keep us informed, make Avid support better, and have been taking it on the chin for a while.

They are real people with real feelings.

The new teams are trying to learn codes that Daniel and the Finn brothers have been working on for a decade or more. It is a can of worms similar to when someone gives me a bad score to fix, rather than I start from scratch, multiplied by 100,000,000.

It starts slow as they learn the code, and I have faith in their intent to eventually address the main feature requests on Ideascale, and frankly I support them because I love Sibelius, and hope they succeed.

Many of the things on the Ideascale page have been asked for over 10 years ago, before Avid, in the stupidest move of the century, fired the UK Team. I get it . . . you're angry. I'm trying to move on and give the new team the benefit of the doubt.

And buggy releases and caution upon upgrading in the middle of a important project is nothing new to Sibelius. Daniel had the ability to quickly have another release put out when things were broken in a previous release and judging from how quickly the "Reset Design" affecting accidentals issue was fixed, the new team has earned my respect.

(And Daniel didn't have weekly releases either, he would fix several bugs and items broken, and then release the new version.)

"Improvements to rests avoiding notes" have been made in vs. 8.2. This and "repeat barlines being placed after time signatures" was asked a long time ago, while Daniel was here. "Respell accidentals in parts" and "slide and move notes in time" are amazing features and I am grateful for them.

And yet when the Ribbon came out, Daniel got slammed, and he eventually said, "Why don't we get back to the the important work of composing".

Sibelius and Finale are the two of the most amazing programs out there and Daniel is going to hit a home run in this field. He is the Steve Jobs (or Bill Gates) of music composition programs. And yet, I may not switch as I, and you, Bob (and some of the "others" that you add your voice to), have fought for so many features and requests that were integrated into Sibelius, and some not by Daniel, but by Bob Zawalich and other plugin writers.

So perhaps just a little thank you and appreciation should go out to the old guard that stuck around, and seem sincere in their want to help us and better Sibelius, namely Joe and Sam.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Chris Crawley - 06 May 09:01AM
I have a good deal of sympathy with what you say, Richard, especially about Sam and Joe (and others) who make their best efforts on behalf of Sibelius users.

The reason they have been "taking it on the chin" is that there is no-one else, it seems, to complain to. A while back, I fired off e-mails to various Avid management people without getting any response. And there is plenty to complain about, I'm afraid, despite Avid's efforts to get somewhere with the development of Sibelius - they are lame efforts, I'm afraid.

I'm quite open to the idea that Sibelius will get better, but by now it's a question of how far and how quickly. I don't doubt the sincerity of Joe, Sam et al., nor do I doubt the enthusiasm many users have for Sibelius, but my feeling is that what we are seeing is not the beginning of some kind of rebirth, because it's too little, too late. I'm convinced the whole landscape of musical engraving, composing and demo-ing is about to change.

"... thou see'st the glowing of such fire
That on the ashes of his youth doth lie..." (Shakespeare)

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 09:25AM (edited 06 May 09:38AM)
> And there is plenty to complain about, I'm afraid, despite Avid's efforts to get somewhere with the development of Sibelius - they are lame efforts, I'm afraid.

I'm quite open to the idea that Sibelius will get better, but by now it's a question of how far and how quickly. I don't doubt the sincerity of Joe, Sam et al., nor do I doubt the enthusiasm many users have for Sibelius, but my feeling is that what we are seeing is not the beginning of some kind of rebirth, because it's too little, too late.
>

Hi Richie--I have written a response to you as you mentioned me in your post. There is more to be said, but for now, I'll let the above, written by another, suffice, in part, for part of my thoughts.

Thanks Bob

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Bob Morabito
Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
Fin 2014.5
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 06 May 10:57AM
For me, it's a privilege to work on such a well established and beautifully built product, and with such a dedicated and skilled team too (so much so that it is often hard to keep pace!).

We've got a passionate user base too, many of whom are distrustful of our stewardship of the product. It serves to highlight just how much Sibelius is cared for. That's quite a rare thing, and something I'd like to help preserve if I can.

I'll be happy if I can help assure our users that Sibelius is in good hands with a series of decent releases in the coming months.

If any issues with 8.3 do come up, then please let me know and I'll do my best to make sure they're addressed swiftly. Meanwhile, I'm already excited to let you know what we're up to in Sibelius 8.4. But that will have to wait.

Joe

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by David - 06 May 10:59AM

> So perhaps just a little thank you and appreciation should go out to the old guard that stuck around, and seem sincere in their want to help us and better Sibelius, namely Joe and Sam.
>
> --


Hear, Hear!, Richie, and it's hardly a "pity" thank you: some of the new features are excellent. I'm doing a huge jazzy/syncopated chart= I was sliding notes all over the place yesterday. It's an outstanding feature, especially with pop styles that have lots of syncopation. Enharmonic spelling in parts- great. Little things like snapping in a first ending and not having to adjust it-great. The great Bob Z's new dot/undot plugin (yes, I'm aware that credit goes solely to Bob and the trolls don't have to remind me of that) really makes things easier. The new "engraving rules for rests" works very well. All are great features, all deserve praise.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled topics of why colored notes suck, why Avid sucks, why anyone praising the team is bad, etc. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the studio getting things done faster....

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 11:49AM (edited 06 May 12:49PM)
> and the trolls don't have to remind me of that

>And now, back to our regularly scheduled topics of why colored notes suck, why Avid sucks, why anyone praising the team is bad, etc.

Trolling, as you know is "making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."

Im sorry, but it seems with your post here its YOU trying to start trouble --actually trolling yourself! :)

Seriously calling people 'trolls' who may disagree with you, and speak their minds, isn't cool and sadly speaks volumes.

And for those-the many, the OVERWHELMING majority (and NOT just on this forum) who think colored notes arent the best of choices for a feature, when so many more necessary things are needed, and cant be done due the limited ability of the programming team--

and also those, AGAIN an overwhelming majority, probably close to being unanimous who have a deservedly VERY low opinion of AVID--

Im sure you think THEY all s--k, too?


-1

Thanks Bob
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Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by David - 06 May 12:54PM

> and also those, AGAIN an overwhelming majority, probably close to being unanimous who have a deservedly VERY low opinion of AVID--
>


Out of morbid curiosity: Why the hell are you here then? Seriously? To say, day after day after day after day after day after day that you don't like Avid? Well, this is the SIBELIUS forum. It's about the software.

Bob, your beef is with management. With that, I agree and support your woes. It's just aimed at the wrong people. Aim it at the CEO. Aim it at corporate America. Deal with it in the voting booth. I know all about it: my wife lost her job so that some idiot CEO (making $14 million) could make even more. It's horrible. I'm in complete agreement, it's ridiculous and obscene. It was a dick move to fire Daniel and co, the CEO should be ashamed of himself, and fired too.

But c'mon man, enough is enough. Every day, guys like Joe and Sam get clobbered, all for trying to help us, for something they didn't do. That's crazy. It's nuts. It's rude, it's childish. Most of all, it's just plain mean.

I'm leaving the forum. You can feel great comfort in chasing off yet another pro musician, it's just not worth it. It's uncomfortable here: One has to walk on egg shells knowing that even the slightest hint of anything positive will be analyzed, scrutinized, criticized Ad nauseam by a handful. That's not only wrong, it's disgusting. It's a forum for software learners: It's not Roe V. Wade, it's not Tienanmen Square, it's a software forum. I've enjoyed the forum, but as pointed out it's no longer the friendly place it once was thanks to all the BS by a handful. Thanks for ruining it for so many.


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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 01:12PM
> I'm leaving the forum. You can feel great comfort in chasing off yet another pro musician, it's just not worth it. It's uncomfortable here: One has to walk on egg shells knowing that even the slightest hint of anything positive will be analyzed, scrutinized, criticized Ad nauseam by a handful. That's not only wrong, it's disgusting. It's a forum for software learners: It's not Roe V. Wade, it's not Tienanmen Square, it's a software forum. I've enjoyed the forum, but as pointed out it's no longer the friendly place it once was thanks to all the BS by a handful. Thanks for ruining it for so many.
>
>
> --
> 8.2, Windows 10

Don't do that, David. Partly because you need the forum - how else will you know whether 8.3 is a good 'un, worth installing, or one to skip?

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 01:16PM (edited 06 May 03:31PM)
Hi David--Im sorry, you're upset. Despite your tone, Ill do my best to answer.

>Out of morbid curiosity: Why the hell are you here then? Seriously? To say, day after day after day after day after day after day that you don't like Avid? Well, this is the SIBELIUS forum. It's about the software.
>

Im a registered Sibelius user, using this forum and its my right to be here, just as it is yours. To keep learning Sib and also post about stuff I agree or disagree with--same as you.I have for a long time answered MANY support questions here, fast and accurately, with the very best of them but stopped in protest to what AVID is doing. Thanks-I hope that clarifies it.

>Bob, your beef is with management. With that, I agree and support your woes. It's just aimed at the wrong people. Aim it at the CEO. Aim it at corporate America. Deal with it in the voting booth. I know all about it: my wife lost her job so that some idiot CEO (making $14 million) could make even more. It's horrible. I'm in complete agreement, it's ridiculous and obscene. It was a dick move to fire Daniel and co, the CEO should be ashamed of himself, and fired too.

Im sorry about your wife David..please tell me HOW I can deal with whats happening to Sib in the voting booth?

And my beef is with what Sibelius is, has become, and is becoming. I, like you, have a right to express my opinion. And also as others have done possibly consider changing my mind about subscribing.

>But c'mon man, enough is enough. Every day, guys like Joe and Sam get clobbered, all for trying to help us, for something they didn't do. That's crazy. It's nuts. It's rude, it's childish. Most of all, it's just plain mean.
>

Again, remarks like that cause trouble, David. And Joe and Sam ARE AVID, and responsible for the direction Sib is taking--so all opinions pro and con are done here, and also many have been written to management along the way. I also extended an invitation to Joe to both publicly and privately to discuss all this off forum. It was refused, but I said Im keeping the offer open and I am..

>I'm leaving the forum. You can feel great comfort in chasing off yet another pro musician, it's just not worth it. It's uncomfortable here: One has to walk on egg shells knowing that even the slightest hint of anything positive will be analyzed, scrutinized, criticized Ad nauseam by a handful. That's not only wrong, it's disgusting. It's a forum for software learners: It's not Roe V. Wade, it's not Tienanmen Square, it's a software forum. I've enjoyed the forum, but as pointed out it's no longer the friendly place it once was thanks to all the BS by a handful. Thanks for ruining it for so many.

David Im sorry youre leaving--but thats YOUR decision not mine.

And to blame me and think I feel glad about it isnt fair, and misled, and again sadly seems to be aimed to cause trouble...read thru the forum many are speaking out--even in THIS thread-- and this NEEDS to happen, so maybe..just MAYBE something will be done good for Sib.

Others--including myself just ignore the posts they dont like--maybe you'd try that, but if not and you feel you have to leave I wish you luck, but you should reconsider and try and ignore the posts.

And again its really not fair to blame me or anyone for raising an honest voice about whats going on. This is allowed and really needs to be done--Sib is in trouble, as is AVID. And its not everyday as you try and make out--its unusually high now that Sib 8.3 was released, and people arent that happy with it, and the subscription deadline is approaching, so decisions must be made, and AVID stock had hit an all time low..

Good luck with whatever you decide--hopefully you'll reconsider.

Thanks Bob


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Bob Morabito
Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
Fin 2014.5
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 May 02:31PM
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 11:49 (edited 06 May 12:49)
Trolling, as you know is "making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yep, you've done it again, Bob. Well done!

OK, we all know Sibelius is in bad hands, but even I am getting pi$$ed with all the bashing the caretakers are receiving in their very difficult effort to keep us happy. I'm also getting pi$$ed with all the zillions of updates on movement of Avid stock. This forum is meant to be a help centre for those users who have a problem with Sibelius, not the Wall Street Journal.

So now I can expect to get yet another thrashing from Superbob. Go ahead, I can take it. You already chased me off the Yahoo Sib group. Even Daniel felt the need on that occasion to email me a message of sympathy.

For the sake of sanity, please give peace a chance.

And stay with us, David.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 May 02:57PM (edited 06 May 03:10PM)
Thanks Adrian--I kind of expected this..even after all these years:)

And no trashing from me--those days are over with me and you, or so I thought.

On the Yahoo Sib forum to keep things accurate two people left--you were one of them, and Im told you were both asked to leave.

Sam Butler here was involved with that situation, and he said he could clearly see what the problem was. And you both were gone.

As for all the bashing--which you seem to be doing an awful good job of with me both here and back on the Yahoo forum, you never forgave me for changing a work of yours and someone liking it better, and for saying I didnt like your version of MacArthur Park.

And Daniel did whatever you asked there with Sib--you were the darling of the forum, and some young upstart changing your work and people liking it better and not liking your crowning achievement..I was in trouble from the start.

For this you publicly ripped me a new one, and insulted me tremendously--but I stood up for myself and would again. You spent FOREVER looking for music of mine to insult, and prove what a worthless piece I was..but you never found any as I said you wouldnt.

No bashing, Adrian all truth..thanks for replying.

Bob

PS I did expect a gangup, and of course fallout from proving all that Laurence had said being untrue. But this was unnecessary.

And as for giving peace a chance--do you REALLY think the message of your post does that? Stirring up trouble between us thats laid dormant for years?

Sorry..I dont.

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Bob Morabito
Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
Fin 2014.5
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 03:26PM (edited 06 May 03:37PM)
>You spent FOREVER looking for music of mine to insult, and prove what a worthless piece I was..but you never found any as I said you wouldnt.

Indeed. It must have been hard to keep any evidence whatsoever of your musical activity off the Internet :-) Adrian could have had a field day with this:

https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Steve - 06 May 02:59PM
Hear, Hear!, Richie, and it's hardly a "pity" thank you: some of the new features are excellent. I'm doing a huge jazzy/syncopated chart= I was sliding notes all over the place yesterday. It's an outstanding feature, especially with pop styles that have lots of syncopation. Enharmonic spelling in parts- great. Little things like snapping in a first ending and not having to adjust it-great. The great Bob Z's new dot/undot plugin (yes, I'm aware that credit goes solely to Bob and the trolls don't have to remind me of that) really makes things easier. The new "engraving rules for rests" works very well. All are great features, all deserve praise.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled topics of why colored notes suck, why Avid sucks, why anyone praising the team is bad, etc. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the studio getting things done faster....


vs.

Hear, Hear!, Richie, and it's hardly a "pity" thank you: some of the new features are excellent. I'm doing a huge jazzy/syncopated chart= I was sliding notes all over the place yesterday. It's an outstanding feature, especially with pop styles that have lots of syncopation. Enharmonic spelling in parts- great. Little things like snapping in a first ending and not having to adjust it-great. The great Bob Z's new dot/undot plugin [...] really makes things easier. The new "engraving rules for rests" works very well. All are great features, all deserve praise.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled topics of why colored notes suck, why Avid sucks, why anyone praising the team is bad, etc. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the studio getting things done faster....


Can anyone spot the difference? If you want to stay positive, stay positive. No need to throw away the dove hill by lobbing a gratuitous grenade. Sure, you have every right to, but it (as demonstrated) is counterproductive.
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 03:13PM
>the Yahoo Sib group.

That mail list used to be a place where music was often the topic as much as technical Sibelius stuff. Quite refreshing and useful. It's a bit dead now. But feel free to join us:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sibelius-list/info

The masses seem to be using the Facebook "Sibelius Software Forum". There's a problem in that it's diffcult (though not impossible) to attach sib files, and there's a lot of uninformed opinion mixed in with the good responses. It's getting better though. There's also a "Sibelius Power Users" group, which paradoxically seems to attract even less proficient Sibelius owners :-)

It's a pity that a few older and less computer-savvy composers have been scared into thinking that Avid's imminent demise will somehow "turn off" their notation program. Particularly when these are people who have stuck with Sibelius 6 anyway!

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Chris Crawley - 06 May 04:01PM
I'm not sure if I'm regarded as one of the trolls here, though I hope not - I have never sought to wind people up. Certainly I have been and am critical of Avid and have serious doubts about the long-term viability of Sibelius, and I feel that Avid and indeed the users of the forum need to know that. If anyone has found that offensive I apologise.

However, there's a big gap between measured criticisms of Avid and personal comments about other posters' views, and now the unseemly dragging into view old controversies from other forums which, frankly, I don't wish to know about and I don't think has any place here. It's called "washing your dirty linen in public".

Some of the stuff appearing above is downright embarrassing.

Even if we can't agree on whether or not to be positive about Avid/Sibelius, I suggest we cut out the personal stuff and concentrate on the program.

I have received much excellent advice here and have to tried to give some in return, where my limited skills have allowed.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 06 May 04:20PM (edited 06 May 09:54PM)
I don’t believe that Joe and Sam are Avid, anymore than Daniel was Avid when he worked here. And yes, issues should be brought up here re: Sibelius.

But just because there’s one one else to complain to, does it mean that when someone asks “Should I upgrade to vs. 8.3,” he should be met with a diatribe, or that Joe and Sam are represented as the “evil empire”.

In one post here, someone dared to say, “I feared Sibelius had lost their way, but I feel they’re on the right path now,” and someone immediately slammed him with how Avid sucks and the real problems with Sibelius aren’t being addressed in an over-long tirade.

In what universe is this ultimately good for Sibelius or this forum?

Help forums, just like people, are healthy . . . or not.

I've seen forums go the way this one is headed . . . where people come for help and are dissuaded from using or buying a product by the negativity of the people posting. Where many of the best participators drop out from helping others because they're belittled for liking the very product that the Forum offers help for.

In the “About this forum” section at the top of the Help Page it says:
Helpful, positive postings are encouraged.

I suspect it will take quite a while for the new Sibelius teams to learn the code well enough to address the issues in Ideascale, as it will for Daniel to present his new music composition program. But I see them trying and achieving.

Sibelius was and still is the best application for writing music on the market.

I hope no one leaves this forum, I just think that the rhetoric could be toned down a tad and much of the complaining time could be used to write, compose, and arrange; help Sibelius survive by representing it properly on this Help Forum; go out for coffee; hit the gym; finish your masterpiece; read a book; go fishing; learn to dance; help someone across the street, etc.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 05:01PM (edited 06 May 06:42PM)
> I've seen forums go the way this one is headed . . . where people come for help and are dissuaded from using or buying a product by the negativity of the people posting. Where many of the best participators drop out from helping others because they're belittled for liking the very product that the Forum offers help for.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Several years ago this happened on the Cubase mail list. Dave Nicholson, the product manager at Steinberg used to have a Daniel-like presence, providing fast, definitive solutions. But the group turned to complaining.

Here's an example. One time a Cubase release had a problem, and a user discovered that swapping back a support file from the previous version cured it. Good. Well done. He was hailed as a Super Programmer, greater than the entire Steinberg development team who had caused the catastrophe by their incompetence... Get the idea? This wasn't gentle, good-humoured ribbing, it was vicious and mean.

Eventually Dave walked away from the list. It was a great loss.

The current official Cubase forum still tends to ignorant complaining and blaming. Much worse than this forum - though it lacks ringleaders, they remove users who are consistently negative. Maybe we avoid the worst yahoos because you need a bit more brain to write notation than to just paste up loops in a sequencer!

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 May 05:04PM (edited 06 May 07:42PM)
> Some of the stuff appearing above is downright embarrassing.
>

> Chris Crawley (composer and horn-player)

Oh dear! Will you be OK, Chris? Perhaps we could arrange counselling? :-)

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 06 May 05:28PM
Okay, let us all do our very best Rodney King interpretation.

But, as Chris, and hopefully Laurence and Bob would agree personal attacks or slander is not appropriate for this forum.

I enjoy reading others take on issues, or likes of Sibelius or even Sibelius v. Finale, but airing old grievances and in the way in which they are aired is becoming tiresome.

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MuseScore 2 (seeing what's out there)
ProTools 9.5, Reaper
Notion 4, Notion 5 (bought but not installed), Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Chris Crawley - 06 May 06:23PM
"Oh dear! Will you be OK, Chris? Perhape we could arrange counselling? :-)"

At my age and having qualified long ago as a grumpy old man, I feel my skin is sufficiently thick to cope with the odd bit of embarrassment, but your solicitous concern is very touching, Laurence.

I did however stop reading some of the posts I was alluding to. Having caught the flavour of them, I was more disposed to spit than swallow.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Hans Nel - 06 May 09:13PM (edited 06 May 10:23PM)
Excuse me, I really don’t mean to be rude truly…but who the heck want’s a score to look like a country fair full of colourful balloons? Goodness, why on Earth would I want to waste time colouring in notes? Wonder what Mozart would say? Guys, there are FAR more important features that could be added, like eg. a scrubbing (note/chord) audition feature. So many ex-Finale users here in Cape Town,(my converts) ask me how to do that in Sibelius...I can't answer them. Note colours…even horizontal note movement…what can I say. I’m paying 89$ for only ONE good feature…the respell feature. You should programme note colour in Sibelius First! I think you should put voting in place suggesting features for immediate future considerations and let the users decide. Take a look for once at Ideas Scale. I pay real money 1000ZAR for coloured notes!...Really! Must I pay, but get useless features that are for kids. Like I said, not trying to be rude.

I must add that the ONLY colour feature that I found useful is when notes move red when it goes out of the instrument’s range. When I would paste some tuba notes into the bassoon part, red notes shows up at places…now THAT is a good feature. Not that I don’t know the ranges of instruments, but now I can quickly spot the out of range notes.

Regarding note sliding, come on muso’s…just think how many times you MIGHT want to use that feature. I have written thousands of scores and NEVER need to move a note to the left of right unless I pull a note to make a lyric more legible or when an accidental , flat or sharp touches the previous note. But I have theory grade 8 and know what notes I want in a bar. If I enter a wrong note…quickly undo and enter the correct one.

I would really appreciate someone to put a YouTube video on that demonstrates the usefulness of these “more useful and relevant development of the program…”...and someone else mentioned..."the sliding notes feature is really nice. Thanks for that, I can see it being a big time-saver"...Really?...How exactly will it save lots of time?. I’m not trying to get personal but being gentleman-like will not always get the point across.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Hans Nel - 06 May 10:13PM (edited 07 May 05:49AM)
You know, I'm with Bob on this one. We HAVE THE RIGHT AS PAYING REAL MONEY to b..ch/complain if we feel our money is wasted. I MYSELF have paid for this year's updates subscription and actually have more say about this year's updates than those who have not paid for updates. Truly, so far MY money is being wasted. AVID should aim at the wants of THE PEOPLE'S DESIRES WHO PAYS.

I INVEST in a company and want a good return on the "investment" not getting primary school stuff on a professional piece of software.

And Richie, SAM and JOE accepted the job to face the user base's bashings. I hardly believe they have sleepless nights. Yes, they answer, but it's NOT good enough! this is business NOT charity...you know..."Don't thank me...Pay me...". I hope Joe is right about 8.4 because I must renew in 2 months...and I won't waste any more money.

I am saving for a Surface 4 and then it will be STAFFPAD! Those guys can program!I'm starting to wonder about AVID's new programmers...

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Peter Roos - 07 May 12:12AM
Without pointing fingers at anyone specifically, I have to say that I am dismayed at the general tone of this forum - what used to be a civic forum, is now quickly turning into a 5th grade locker room.

So what if colored notes in chords isn't really important - who cares, really? It's just another new feature. If you have no use for it, then by all means, don't use it. I'm almost sorry I brought it up in the first place.

The bottom line is this -- there are hundreds of thousands of Sibelius users around the globe, from beginning students to seasoned composers / arrangers / orchestrators. They all have their own little wish lists.

There never was, nor will there ever be, any explicit promise that a particular feature will be available in a future upgrade. Yes, clever developers will ask their users about what they would like to see, and then pay attention. Avid tried to do this with the Ideascale. In case you think Ideascale is all total bullshit, remember that the overlapping endings with repeats (now fixed) was high on the list.

Nobody forces anyone to pay the $89 per year for upgrades. You make up your own mind. It's not an investment in Avid, by the way, it's an investment in yourself, and your tools, and how much benefit you expect to get from it going forward. Paying $89 per year does not give you rights to anything, except the right to receive regularly scheduled updates.


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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Kai Struck - 06 May 10:52PM (edited 06 May 10:54PM)
I think colored notes can be very useful for educational purposes to explain musical structures of fugues or chords etc. For kids colored notes can make learning much easier and faster.
Sibelius as professional software should also be capable to create scores for kids. Which doesn't mean Sibelius is kids software.
We know Sibelius already had colors and the Team removed a limitation of usage. A limitation that eg. isn't in free Open Source software like Musescore or even a Daw like Reaper that has this feature already in its first relase of its notation editor (beta version).

Perhaps this was even a good chance for the new developers to dive into the field of extending the API (without the danger of destroying too much), that will become useful for future enhancements with more useful features like dashed ties. (sth that I would hardly need to use :-) )

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 06 May 11:17PM
I think Mozart would be for education in schools and I think children are our future. If colored notes help a 3rd/4th grade teacher inspire a student to play, or even listen to music . . . I’m all for it.

Not every new feature has to be for me, and frankly, it if helps Sibelius survive in this competitive market (it will), and doesn’t water down the other features (it doesn’t) . . . I don’t pay it any mind.

Daniel never put things up for a vote . . . neither should the current team, especially judging from the way people conduct themselves on this forum.

As far as time-saving, I gave a student a 30 minute lesson in time-saving keyboard shortcuts today. My work flow suffers in no way and I just finished a second 100 page book in Sibelius alone.

I’ve used the note-sliding feature a few times since it’s release as I do solo transcriptions or write out lines and this makes corrections easier for me.

(Try writing out an up-tempo Charlie Parker or John Coltrane solo and you’ll see what I mean.)

This screenshot by Philip exhibits how useful the different spelling in score and part can be . . . a feature added to Sibelius recently.

Now I’m not trying to be rude, but no one is forcing anyone to fork over 89$ for only one good feature. Free will is involved.

Every couple of years there was a new version of Sibelius introduced which I upgraded to at the cost of $139.00. That was $70/yr. It is now $89/yr. This is not a vast difference.

There are dozens of bugs and feature requests that the old team didn’t get to for some reason or other.

And Joe and Sam did not join up for user base bashings. They are here to help Sibelius along it’s new path and listen to legitimate complaints voiced politely . . . they are not punching bags. They’re both been nothing but professional and courteous since their new positions were announced.

We’re not talking about occasional complaints here Hans . . . we’re speaking about constant haranguing on every other thread to a point where people want to leave this forum and the unhealthy effect it has upon it.

I really appreciate the new features in Sibelius and think in time, the new team will address the more serious issues in Ideascale.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Robert Franklin - 07 May 02:00AM
Where are the instructions how to change the Note-head colours in the rare case I might need to know?

Thanks

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 07 May 03:00AM (edited 07 May 03:21AM)
> Where are the instructions how to change the Note-head colours in the rare case I might need to know? Thanks>

Hi Robert,

It's kind of easy, so no instructions included.

Go to Home Tab and select the Color icon and scroll down to "Choose Color" as in "Choose Color" screenshot.

Select your color and push OK as in the "Select Color" screenshot.

Cool new feature (not available in vs. 8.2)!

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Robert Franklin - 07 May 03:41AM (edited 07 May 03:42AM)
Many thanks Richard Vitale
Regards to all Users!

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 07 May 02:21AM (edited 07 May 03:22AM)
Pls folks . . . do NOT send me any emails offline. I only want to come here to help people online and thought that things like:
"SAM and JOE accepted the job to face the user base's bashings"
and
"Joe and Sam ARE AVID" are unwarranted.

They are employees of Avid that could leave their posts or be fired at any moment.

We're lucky to have them here and I see that some of you just want to argue and there's no reasoning.

I have grades to mark up and music to write and and for once I am glad that I am not receiving emails from this forum. I'd like to keep it that way.

And please don't put words in my mouth, I don't think all is "rosy".

Look at my grievances on Ideascale. I have nine of them up there and they still stick, I just don't gripe about them daily. I want them fixed as badly as you want your issues looked into.

Daniel was genius. I did not say it was "MUCH better" now, it's just different. Time to move on.

I have called no one names, have asked no one to leave, have made no personal attacks, don't care if Sibelius makes Boomwhacker or colored notes (maybe I do, because I've taught using Boomwhackers), and am just pointing out (sometimes specific) behavior that seems appalling and disheartening and unhealthy to this forum and the growth of Sibelius.

Anyone who has any comments helpful or otherwise, if you send them to my personal email, they will be posted here publicly as Bob's is (after all, if you're not ashamed of what you have said, it might as well be public).
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Bob's email to me is below:
>We’re not talking about occasional complaints here Hans . . . we’re speaking about constant haranguing on every other thread to a point where people want to leave this forum and the unhealthy effect it has upon it.
>

Hi Richie--

Im quite surprised this is still going on--there have been many genuine good attempts to end it, as it sure isnt helping anything. But some, for some unknown reason. seem to want to keep it going- but at the very least lets keep it honest.

There is 'no constant haranguing on every other thread' by anyone here, and to say so simply isnt true, and can lead to more problems. Thanks--and your saying that is a PERFECT example of what Im trying to say in this email.

So please excuse me for pointing this out, but I feel its necessary--Ive delayed posting this at least three times today. And thats that the difference between you and those being called 'trolls'--ie those who frequently post "long tirades" about the problems with Sib etc, honestly isn't much..its two sides of the same coin.

You post your take on things an awful lot too, very long posts, and its almost ALL over-glowing and rosy,where SiIb is concerned--basically NOTHING is wrong with Sib, and we shouldn't criticize, and yes, you go after those very unkindly who do state their displeasure with how things are now, etc etc. Its usually the same stuff, and you did it in three of your long posts again here today, and many others. Its YOUR take on things, and youre entitled to it--but you try and make it sound like Sib is just perfect now, and is a MUCH better program NOW than it EVER was--with Daniel, or anyone else .

But as you see--not everyone agrees.

So honestly Richie--may I please kindly ask whats the difference between what you're doing and those who would be called 'trolls'--between you and those who you keep attacking?

The only difference is a difference of opinion on Sibelius. That's all:)

And the rhetoric you feel should be toned down could also very well apply to the extreme rosiness of your posts...it cuts both ways:)

Im pointing this out as maybe you didnt realize it but youre quite unkind and accusing in your way--sorry to say. Just as you would accuse others of the same.

The bottom line is that if Sib was as GREAT now as you believe, and try to convince others with your posts then NONE of the many problems that are present here would exist. Everyone would have happily jumped on the subscription bandwagon long gao , thrilled with even the unasked for feature of the Boomwhacker, and one request for coloring of single notes found their way into Sib 8.3:)

I hope this helps,Richie though I doubt it--I have a feeling you'll take it wrong, and it will be more of the same you post on the forum. But its worth a try. People are letting their personal friendships with Joe and Sam blind themselves to the problems you see many--not just me-post about.

So lets end it here--with this simple statement--there are those who really like whats being done with Sib now, and should feel to post and say this.

And there are those who dont like or agree with whats being done with Sib now and they ALSO should feel free to say this.

Both are allowed.

And lets leave the other stuff out.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 07 May 02:30AM (edited 07 May 02:37AM)
Hi Richie-- No Im not at all ashamed of what I said..I wrote you off forum in a genuine attempt to try and stop this thread from continuing, instead of posting it here--

yet by your response here, you're doing EXACTLY what I wrote you about.

Thanks..it was worth a try, and I apologize for contacting you off forum.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 07 May 02:43AM (edited 07 May 02:56AM)
Bob, it's not just me . . . you should be emailing about 10 other people.

I only want to come here and help people and say "I like Sibelius" without 5 or 6 people piling on saying how it sucks.

If that happens for two weeks in a row, I'll consider the matter resolved.

Sorry . . . make that 2 years. (It'll show maturity as opposed to mild restraint.)

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 07 May 02:54AM (edited 07 May 02:58AM)
Hi Richie-

Let it END..you keep doing what you attack others for. Please stop, so this thread can end.

And let those who disagree with you have their say, just as you have yours.

>If that happens for two weeks in a row, I'll consider the matter resolved.

Sorry . . . make that 2 years. (It'll show maturity as opposed to mild restraint.)
>

Huh?

Im afraid theres nothing more to say..its all been said before, and it should just end.

Thanks Bob
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Hans Nel - 07 May 06:32AM (edited 07 May 06:47AM)
Gentlemen (and ladies of course), Allow me one last post to end MY part in this thread. I don't think that anybody here thinks that Sam of Joe is amateurs or not willing to help. I can absolutely understand the stresses they have to face dealing with all kinds of users (and their needs). It's the nature of the proverbial beast, so to say.

I really don't have a problem if new features are added that I (myself) don't want, but there is Sibelius First that (if it's not) can be targeted mostly for education. You are also spending much time on the Surface Pro which most of us don't have or cannot affort. Truly, real composers (which you always want to brag about when selling Sibelius), don't need features like colouring notes. It just feels to me that (having paid for professional features) really only got ONE decent feature...respelling of parts. THAT is saving me a lot of sax part editing. But the rest are useless...for me, and most likely most (non-teacher) professionals who want Sibelius and Pro Tools for film and advertising purposes. Yes, give a feature for educational purposes, but you should really target professional users of (if I may speculate) which are the majority.

I have this gut feeling that the programmers at AVID are having a nightmare to solve analysing the previous team's code. Well, maybe you should build Sibelius again, from the ground up. Other software companies do that quite often...Window 10 comes to mind, StaffPad guys just built their software from the ground up a few weeks back. I know why you spend more time on the Surface Pro...because you created your own code and comfort in developing for the tablet. I'm sure you are pulling straws which guys works on Sibelius and which one on the tablet.

Anyway, the mood of this forum will naturally express good or bad feelings depending on the service that is provided. This forum (as others) is not a love song. We want the competition out of the way!

PLEASE Sam and Joe, tell us if your programmers are having difficulty with the code and are doing their best while in the meantime, they give us what they are able too. This, at least, one can understand, and knowing the gentlemen-like attitudes most users here have, they WILL (me included) accept openness. We just want to understand.

Also, take a serious look at Idea Scale. THERE you will get what the users want. Like someone up here somewhere mentioned, it was only ONE person asking for coloured notes. Goodness, now THAT carried the majority vote. I am an appointed Composer/Arranger of the South African Navy Band, but serve basically most of South Africa's Military musical needs...hence the thousands of scores (MacArthur Park included). I also teach Sibelius (country wide) through TeamViewer. Most of them are converts from Finale (it's mostly the real older generation that STICKS to Finale) but my point is, being Finale users, EVERYONE of my "students" asked me how to scrub systems (auditioning notes to hear the entire chord in a vertical line on a beat...Finale users use THAT function extensively) in order to hear to find the offending note. ALL OF THEM, myself included right at the beginning. I HATE to tell them Sibelius cannot do that because I told them Sibelius is superior to Finale. THIS type of situation is NOT a small thing. It determines if a potential customer will convert so Sibelius or not. Just yesterday and Indian student asked me what 8.3 brags about. I told him "colouring your notes". He is a UCT (University of Cape Town) student. He laughed and walked away. I understood why.

So, in conclusion (my part in THIS thread), I am NOT picking on anybody personally. I have a daily active role with this software and compose, arrange AND teach. (We white boys in SA must teach our black and coloured brothers...you know, bring them up to our standard after Apartheid), so the Defence Force purchase music software that I included suggesting. I actually mentioned getting every student of mine a Surface Pro 4 (tried my luck) with StaffPad (and Sibelius makes use of the Surface as well) but the budget won't allow for it. So AVID, catch on, will you...PLEASE.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 07 May 09:58AM
>Well, maybe you should build Sibelius again, from the ground up. Other software companies do that quite often...Window 10 comes to mind

If Windows 10 was a "ground up" rewrite, Microsoft went to extraordinary lengths to have many functions look the same, behave the same and have the same quirks as in previous versions! I'd be interested to hear which major programs you feel HAVE gone through this process? Daniel's team over at Steinberg are currently demonstrating just how long it takes.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by RobP - 07 May 11:03AM
> . Yes, give a feature for educational purposes, but you should really target professional users of (if I may speculate) which are the majority.

Hope you're not suggesting all those music teachers out there using Sib day in and day out to create arrangements, extra parts, work out transpositions, worksheets, compositions etc etc are not 'professional users'!!
Rob

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 07 May 11:10AM
> > . Yes, give a feature for educational purposes, but you should really target professional users of (if I may speculate) which are the majority.
>
> Hope you're not suggesting all those music teachers out there using Sib day in and day out to create arrangements, extra parts, work out transpositions, worksheets, compositions etc etc are not 'professional users'!!
> Rob


I don't suppose Avid are going to release the figures. But my speculation is that multi-seat educational licenses are a substantial part of Sibelius' sales.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Adrian Drover - 07 May 06:41AM
Posted by Bob Morabito
On the Yahoo Sib forum to keep things accurate two people left--you were one of them, and Im told you were both ask to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then you've been told inaccurate information. Many more than two listers left the Yahoo group because they couldn't stand your vicious attacks. I received many private emails asking me to rejoin. Get your facts straight. You're living in a fantasy world.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Bob Morabito - 07 May 07:02AM (edited 07 May 07:07AM)
>Posted by Bob Morabito
On the Yahoo Sib forum to keep things accurate two people left--you were one of them, and Im told you were both ask to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then you've been told inaccurate information. Many more than two listers left the Yahoo group because they couldn't stand your vicious attacks. I received many private emails asking me to rejoin. Get your facts straight. You're living in a fantasy world.
>

Again Adrian, more insults?--And I stand by what I said.

And I agree with all those saying it here-STOP this kind of stuff.

Like or dont like whats going on with Sib, but leave the rest of this insulting, unnecessary stuff out.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 07 May 06:29PM
Hi All,

We are all in agreement I'm sure, that everyone needs to be civil to each other. Please make sure you uphold integrity when posting to the forum and keep the conversations on-topic as you see fit. I'm not in favour of moderating and removing threads here but will do if needs be. May I remind you of the T's and C's to adhere to, which we link to when starting a new thread, for review here.

http://www.sibelius.com/forum/advice/terms_of_use.html

Anyway, back to the topic of 8.3. As you know, we now release features when they are ready rather than letting them pile up and release every two years. 8.3 comes just one month after 8.2 and includes a slew of fixes that we really wanted to get out to you rather than waiting for further features we will have ready for the 8.4 release.

The decisions that go into deciding what features and fixes to include, are sought from many fronts, including feedback you provide from the forum, support cases we handle, Ideascale, customer visits we make, internal research, our own wish lists and other commercial business initiatives, amongst other sources.

Hans, to answer your questions around the ability of the development team, they are all very talented and experienced engineers with many years of working with media and music applications on various platforms. They are certainly not having a problem with understanding the codebase and have been able to find solutions to some really tricky problems (accidentals in parts, note and rest avoidance, for example), while dealing with a codebase that's pretty complex. I'm in awe in which they are able to implement the features and fixes Joe and I have put on the roadmap and I look forward to releasing the work they are currently doing across all our solutions.

Sam

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Steve - 08 May 04:07AM
> Hi All,
>
> We are all in agreement I'm sure, that everyone needs to be civil to each other. Please make sure you uphold integrity when posting to the forum and keep the conversations on-topic as you see fit. I'm not in favour of moderating and removing threads here but will do if needs be. May I remind you of the T's and C's to adhere to, which we link to when starting a new thread, for review here.
>
> http://www.sibelius.com/forum/advice/terms_of_use.html
>
> [...]
>
> Sam
>
> --
> Sam Butler | Product Manager | Sibelius
> sam.butler@avid.com | @avid_sam | @AvidSibelius
>
> Contact the Sibelius support team:
> www.sibelius.com/documents/contact_form.html
>
> KB and other resources:
> www.sibelius.com/support

Not a priority, I suppose, but part of the text of the T & C is obscured by the corporate branding on the page, at least on my device. Would be nice to read it all. Thanks.
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 08 May 04:48AM (edited 08 May 04:49AM)
Yes Steve, if I squeeze my page horizontally the top para is obscured as in my screenshot. Some may be worse than others.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Steve - 08 May 06:31AM
Thank you Richie.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 08 May 02:58PM
Just go into inspect element and delete it. It will no longer appear during your current session.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Steve - 08 May 03:37PM (edited 08 May 03:38PM)
Yes, that's a good trick I've used on annoying gifs on some sites. My desktop is okay, it is my phone where the formatting is shot. I need to find tools to manipulate the browser behavior as easily on mobile.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by John Dylan - 16 May 01:09AM
My goodness me! I haven't visited this forum for some years. What a bad mannered lot some of you people have become. Bitch, bitch, bitch! It's nearly as bad as watching televised parliament. Or my local kindergarten. During the years when I didn't visit the forum I've had real FUN investigating, learning, understanding, customising and WRITING LOTS OF MUSIC with each Sib version I acquired. You lot have really put me off coming here any more. Some of the contributors to this thread really need to get out into the sunshine more often, I'd say.
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Mike Lyons - 16 May 06:03AM
+1

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Serendipity - 16 May 09:14AM
+1

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Rob Catlender - 16 May 11:59AM
+1

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Chris Davey - 16 May 02:04PM
+1

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by RobP - 16 May 07:35PM
Quite agree. To get back to the topic, I have to say I am very pleased having finally made the jump from 6 to the latest version- for a long time I was put off because of the ribbon of ill repute, then because of all the hoo-ha over the pricing and talk about the lack of new features. But now I've spent a little time with v8 I find it quicker to use and especially like the ability to move notes left or right- meaning you can select a smaller rhythmic snap value and do a quick nudge if you click a note in the wrong place. That to me is a small but very worthwhile improvement, so thanks to Sam and all.

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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Richard Vitale - 17 May 10:50PM

+1
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Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available!
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Jun 12:16PM
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Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 05 May 04:00PM
     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 05 May 04:22PM
         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Philip R, 05 May 04:32PM
             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 05 May 04:35PM
                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 05 May 04:37PM
                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Rob Tuley, 05 May 05:12PM
                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 05 May 05:47PM
                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 05 May 05:55PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Philip R, 05 May 06:19PM
                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Cause, 05 May 07:13PM
                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Albert, 05 May 07:22PM
                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Enns, 05 May 07:54PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Peter Roos, 05 May 11:37PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - wcreed, 05 May 11:59PM
                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 06 May 01:19AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 12:50PM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Kai Struck, 06 May 11:42PM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 06 May 11:59PM
                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Venancio @ Avid, 06 May 12:38AM
                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 01:26AM
                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Dave P-B, 06 May 01:57AM
                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 03:08AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 04:04AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Russell H, 06 May 08:56AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 04:04AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Crawley, 06 May 09:01AM
                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 09:25AM
                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Joe @ Sibelius, 06 May 10:57AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 06 May 10:59AM
                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 11:49AM
                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - David, 06 May 12:54PM
                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 01:12PM
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                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 06 May 02:57PM
                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 03:26PM
                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 06 May 02:59PM
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                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Chris Crawley, 06 May 04:01PM
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                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 06 May 05:01PM
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                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 06 May 09:13PM
                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 06 May 10:13PM
                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Peter Roos, 07 May 12:12AM
                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Kai Struck, 06 May 10:52PM
                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 06 May 11:17PM
                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Franklin, 07 May 02:00AM
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                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Robert Franklin, 07 May 03:41AM
                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 07 May 02:21AM
                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Bob Morabito, 07 May 02:30AM
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                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Hans Nel, 07 May 06:32AM
                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 07 May 09:58AM
                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - RobP, 07 May 11:03AM
                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Laurence Payne, 07 May 11:10AM
                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Adrian Drover, 07 May 06:41AM
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                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Sam at Sibelius, 07 May 06:29PM
                                                                                                                                             Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 04:07AM
                                                                                                                                                 Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Richard Vitale, 08 May 04:48AM
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 06:31AM
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                                                                                                                                                         Re: Sibelius 8.3 is now available! - Steve, 08 May 03:37PM
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