Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 26 Apr 10:19PM (edited 26 Apr 11:18PM) Hide picture (Pls see attachment-thanks) https://twitter.com/joeapearson "Joe Pearson ‏@joeapearson Apr 13 Hounslow, London Already working on @AvidSibelius 8.4 with @avid_sam . That will be our fourth release this year (and counting)." #sibelius > (this was also retweeted by Sam) Please correct me if Im mistaken--Sib 8.3 hasn't even BEEN released yet, has it? and Sib 8.2 is broken and has problems--a major one being the Reset Design changing accidentals bug. IIRC the other Sib 8's also have some problems-- Is this also correct? This kind of post REALLY gives the wrong impression, and that really isnt fair to ALL users. It can easily mislead people, which Im QUITE sure isnt the intention here. Even one of AVID's staunch supporters here states: >The stated policy is continual micro-updates. I'm not sure this is working too well - they seem to be including rather too many unfinished and poorly-tested changes - but that's what is on offer. > Also this was said: >If a fix for this particular bug doesn't arrive in time (or if a fix is rushed out without proper testing and other things break - and remember the team will be under considerable pressure to produce an impressive version for the cutoff date) Avid will in all honesty have to advise us "Pay up, but don't install the latest version yet". > This kind of stuff on public forums really isnt the right way to do things or professional, IMHO. This HUGE rush to try and impress and rope in people with the subscription deadline looming is backfiring, and the continued weaknesses of the development teams keeps popping up, and becomes more and more evident. Yet your tweet tries to say otherwise, and that simply isnt fair--please dont mislead people, as Im sure it ISNT intentional. Just my opinion, and YMMV. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Attachment Screen Shot 2016-04-25 at 7.18.44 PM.png (43K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Laurence Payne - 26 Apr 10:38PM (edited 26 Apr 10:46PM) Hide picture > Even one of AVID's staunch supporters here states: > > >The stated policy is continual micro-updates. I'm not sure this is working too well - they seem to be including rather too many unfinished and poorly-tested changes - but that's what is on offer. > > If you wish to quote me that's fine, but you may as well use my name! You describe me as a "staunch supporter". Most presumptious of you, and demonstrably not true - as proved by that quote. I do try to be constructive wherever possible though. For instance, I have plenty of ideas how the Ribbon could be improved :-) Recently you wanted to believe that anything good in Sibelius 8 was a result of work already in hand before Finsbury Park closed. Now you can't accept that work may already be under way on the next release but one. There is no logic in your constant attacks. And what is worse, no undercurrent of good humour. I've got a gig in Northampton tomorrow, so you can have the stage to yourself. Enjoy! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 26 Apr 10:45PM Hide picture Thanks...have a nice day, and i stand by my post. Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 26 Apr 11:23PM Hide picture As Laurence edited his post after I replied my response was only up to this part of his post: .. And what is worse, no undercurrent of good humour." Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 Apr 05:06AM (edited 27 Apr 05:26AM) Hide picture >If you wish to quote me that's fine, but you may as well use my name! Not necessary for the point I was making. I wasn't trying to get anyone in trouble, just making a point >You describe me as a "staunch supporter". Most presumptious of you, and demonstrably not true - as proved by that quote. I do try to be constructive wherever possible though. For instance, I have plenty of ideas how the Ribbon could be improved :-) > Well since of late you like to snottily criticize my grammar, maybe you might learn how to spell..don't use the big words though like presumptuous--you're simply NOT capable;-) And not at all "pre·sump·tu·ous" (take notes, Payne:)..you earned the nickname "Pom Poms Payne" for all your staunch support of late, but..as usual, your fence sitting thing comes into play and now you're on the other side. You play BOTH sides, so you can say you were right, WHATEVER happens. You did this SOO much during the Save Sibelius campaign, NO ONE took you seriously. The usual:) (And you're STILL ranting and crying about the ribbon..and Apple..etc..NOT constructive at all.) >Recently you wanted to believe that anything good in Sibelius 8 was a result of work already in hand before Finsbury Park closed. Laurence--may I make one small suggestion? Please try and stay with the truth, and speak slower as your words are muffled...you know THAT happens when you speak out of your a--.!! This has been explained--and was also shared by YOU--too many times to be repeated. You're simply not worth it. Nice try at trolling though -;) >Now you can't accept that work may already be under way on the next release but one. OMG..is THAT what you got out of my post? Please..say it isnt so- and tell me you're just PLAYING dumb here--or trolling. Read it again..slowly, and look up dem big words!!;-) >There is no logic in your constant attacks. Last few 'attacks' have been yours Payne...see above. And as for logic, I'll use smaller words you can spell and pronounce. Maybe the logic will be MUCH more evident then. Thanks! >And what is worse, no undercurrent of good humour. OMG--You hide all your nastiness behind things like ;-) and name calling etc such..and you're NOT funny at all. (OOPS sorry if that hurt your feelings!;) Now I answered Laurence''s post in the way hes been doing to mine, starting trouble, and I tried reporting it, more than once pointing it out with no response. Since NOTHING has been done, I'll answer in kind now like this, and of course people will say "We don't like when you and Laurence bicker etc"..well Ive tried to point out who starts, and didn't reply here until now. Since nothing was done, Ill reply as warranted as it seems to be ok. But in reality something should have been done, with my complaint, so we DON'T have stuff like THIS. (Then again that may be too "presumptious" on my part!:) Thanks Bob Attachment Screen Shot 2016-04-27 at 1.08.29 AM.png (132K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Greg Jones - 27 Apr 05:09AM Hide picture So, with 8.4's development going on, I'm guessing that 8.3 is being released soon? I could be wrong though. -- Sibelius 8.2, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.11 El Capitan, Logic Pro, Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 and 5, Garritan Jazz Ensemble/Big Band 3, Garritan Concert and Marching Band 2, Note Performer 1.5.0, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5, Yamaha Motif XF8 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 Apr 05:16AM Hide picture It would seem that way, though I have a feeling its been delayed due to the Reset Design changing accidentals bug, and not wanting to leave a long trail of --as Laurence Payne put it above-- ">The stated policy is continual micro-updates. I'm not sure this is working too well - they seem to be including rather too many unfinished and poorly-tested changes - but that's what is on offer. > I could be wrong though also:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 27 Apr 03:01PM Hide picture It shouldn't come as a surprise to know that we're working on future releases of Sibelius. This thread has sunk pretty low even by recent standards in terms of the courteous treatment of fellow users. I've never had to take action as a moderator in the past and I'd really rather not start now. Please stop. I'm here to answer questions about Sibelius, as ever. -- Joe Pearson | Product Designer | Sibelius www.sibelius.com, @joeapearson, joe.pearson@avid.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Greg Jones - 27 Apr 03:31PM Hide picture Joe, regarding Sibelius 8.3, can you please give us a rough estimate when it is going to be released? Also, regarding the plugin bug, will it be fixed in the latest update? Thanks. -- Sibelius 8.2, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.11 El Capitan, Logic Pro, Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 and 5, Garritan Jazz Ensemble/Big Band 3, Garritan Concert and Marching Band 2, Note Performer 1.5.0, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5, Yamaha Motif XF8 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Zawalich - 27 Apr 03:58PM Hide picture What plugin bug are you referring to? The accidentals-change-during-reset-design problem is not one involving plugins as far as I know. -- Bob An experienced user of Sibelius. Sib 1.2 - 8, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 8 G RAM. Year 2016. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Greg Jones - 27 Apr 03:59PM Hide picture I was referring to the Reset Design bug, that's all. -- Sibelius 8.2, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.11 El Capitan, Logic Pro, Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 and 5, Garritan Jazz Ensemble/Big Band 3, Garritan Concert and Marching Band 2, Note Performer 1.5.0, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5, Yamaha Motif XF8 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 27 Apr 04:42PM Hide picture Hi Greg, Yup, we fixed it early last week. It will be included in 8.3.0. Joe -- Joe Pearson | Product Designer | Sibelius www.sibelius.com, @joeapearson, joe.pearson@avid.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 Apr 05:06PM (edited 27 Apr 05:07PM) Hide picture >>..and I tried reporting it, more than once pointing it out with no response Since nothing was done, Ill reply as warranted as it seems to be ok. But in reality something should have been done, with my complaint, so we DON'T have stuff like THIS. >> >This thread has sunk pretty low even by recent standards in terms of the courteous treatment of fellow users. I've never had to take action as a moderator in the past and I'd really rather not start now. Please stop. > Thanks so much and I couldnt agree more..FINALLY something has been done, and for my part I welcome that its stopped. My apologies for my part in it, and Im thrilled its finally been addressed. >It shouldn't come as a surprise to know that we're working on future releases of Sibelius. > No surprise at all Joe, and I felt it was pretty clear that WASNT the point of this post. It gave the impression to me, and others that the versions of Sib were just rolling out fine and dandy, and Im sorry that just isnt the case. Its all been written above. >Yup, we fixed it early last week. It will be included in 8.3.0. Thats good to hear--maybe it, and stuff like it should possibly be released as an update release for 8.2, or whatever the present version is, and not be delayed and done as a feature of the next update?? Thanks Bob Bob Morabito https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 27 Apr 05:47PM Hide picture If 8.3 comes out before the June on board or not date...no harm, no fowl. Otherwise it screws the early perpetual adopters like myself (June 16th) that decide to drop the perpetual route. -- Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.2.0, Bob Zawalich plugins, TMT Publisher Plugins, NotePerformer 1.5.0, dolet 6.6 (update 4-8-2016). PhotoScore 6,7,8 Ultimate Finale 2010b,2011b,2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, TGTools pro, Patterson plugins, JW Plugins, GPO4, World Instruments. SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro MuseScore 2 (seeing what's out there) ProTools 9.5, Reaper Notion 4, Notion 5 (bought but not installed), Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3 Windows XP Pro (32 bit); 2@ 7 Pro (64 bit); 8.1 Pro (64 bit); Windows 10 Home/ 4-16GB Ram across five PC's Pencil & Paper BMus MM (Musicology) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 Apr 06:04PM (edited 27 Apr 06:06PM) Hide picture -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Peter Roos - 27 Apr 05:54PM Hide picture Fwiw, I think it's a positive sign that Sam / Joe and team are already working on version 8.4 -- it shows that they are looking to the future beyond the issues which will be dealt with in 8.3. You can quibble about how big or small the improvements are and which of the Ideascale suggestions are long overdue in implementing, but at the least it shows that my $89 per year is going somewhere. -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib 8.4?? Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 Apr 06:06PM Hide picture >If 8.3 comes out before the June on board or not date...no harm, no fowl. Otherwise it screws the early perpetual adopters like myself (June 16th) that decide to drop the perpetual route. I agree--this is part of what I was referring to above: >>Yup, we fixed it early last week. It will be included in 8.3.0. >Thats good to hear--maybe it, and stuff like it should possibly be released as an update release for 8.2, or whatever the present version is, and not be delayed and done as a feature of the next update?? > IMHO since it was fixed early last week those who are using Sib 8 should have already gotten the fix, as for example an 8.2.1 release. This goes back to what another poster wrote above that "they seem to be including rather too many unfinished and poorly-tested changes". And this is what this entire thread was about. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito Back to top | All threads