Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 18 Apr 05:44PM Hide picture A couple of questions; -in bar 36 and 54 in the enclosed score there is a triplet. In the Drum set part there is three voices and each voice has a "klamme", the lines with the 3 number in the middel. I think it looks messy with two of the under the system. How can I take one of them away or put on the other one? -in the Drum part bar 49 I want to take away the rest in the bar, but when I do that, the stems goes down. - Why is the last bar so narrow? Ole Attachment Livin' on a prayer v 6.sib (81K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Robert Enns - 18 Apr 05:57PM Hide picture In 36 and 54 Click on the one you don't want and use Propties to select no number and no bracket. -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.2 Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Apr 07:20PM Hide picture I could suggest a few improvements to your drum part. Mostly about not using three voices when two would suffice! Have a look at the attached version. Attachment LP_Livin' on a prayer v 6.sib (140K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 19 Apr 07:22AM Hide picture I write my drum parts in just one voice. The more information the drummer has to read, the less freedom he has to drive. Keep it simple. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 21 Apr 12:06PM Hide picture Thank you. I have tried to use two drum voices, but have a little trouble with getting the cymbal and snare drum voice look like Laurence has showed. Can you please explain that for me and can anyone explain why the last bar is so narrow? Ole Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Erik Hagner - 21 Apr 12:37PM Hide picture It's because the layout is locked, and Sibelius simply finds that it's the only place in the whole system there is something to squeeze. If you want to keep it on four pages you would have to reduce the staff size to avoid the look of the last bar ... -- Erik Hagner, Denmark MacBook5,1 - OS X 10.11.3 Sibelius 7.1.3 Finale 2014.5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Apr 02:27PM Hide picture Just put both cymbal and SD in voice 1, as a "chord". Maybe you're getting hung up on the concept that the cymbal is 8th notes, the SD quarters? Include them both in the same 8th note. It's WHEN it's hit that matters - a SD stroke has no real duration. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Dave P-B - 23 Apr 12:37AM (edited 23 Apr 01:02AM) Hide picture Adrian's right. "Keep it simple". That doesn't mean simplistic - it just means clear and simple to read. (Personally, I'd use 2 voices: Voice 1: hats/cyms Voice 2: kick/snare, but that's open to choice). Particularly in a pop song like this, keep information for drums to the necessary only. Explore using repeat bar symbols, number bars (text) and 'Play x' notations. Your arrangement will be played better and the drummer might even buy you a beer afterwards - just watch that he doesn't try to borrow the money from you first. Cheers, Dave -- Sib 8 MacPro, 16GB RAM, OS 10.9.5 http://www.davepb.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 23 Apr 06:46AM Hide picture On the other hand, make sure that the drummer has the necessary band hits marked on his part. I've played sessions on which the drummer needed to request a copy of the lead trumpet part to play from. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Dave P-B - 23 Apr 11:26AM Hide picture Like all things - balance. Not too much - not too little. Fun -- Sib 8 MacPro, 16GB RAM, OS 10.9.5 http://www.davepb.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Roy Moore - 23 Apr 11:52AM (edited 23 Apr 12:23PM) Hide picture Have you tried the downloadable plug-in in category Notes & Rests? Make Pitches Constant (Drums) You can paste the lead Trumpet or Sax part into the drums - then run the plugin, it turns the trumpet/sax line into just the rhythm above the staff and add slashes in voice two. See attached It makes very quick,useful drum parts that gives the player the info he needs. -- Roy Moore London UK (2016) Sib 7.5,8.2 -Win 10 pro x64 8gb ram,512gb SSD Laptop Win 10 pro x64-32gb ram 512 ssd 750 hd Various East West, Hollywood Strings, Note Performer Attachment 0209 Drum plug-in.PNG.png (74K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 24 Apr 07:28AM Hide picture I do wish that the developers would make auto bar repeats voice dependant. At present, whatever voice the repeat bar is assigned to, it plays whatever is written in the previous measure regardless of voice. This means that voice 3 cues are repeated instead of the voice 1 pattern. The only solution is to notate each measure in full, hide the ongoing pattern and use zymbol repeats. Very tiresome! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Dave P-B - 24 Apr 08:53AM (edited 24 Apr 08:55AM) Hide picture Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 26 Apr 05:30PM Hide picture Thank you!! Ole Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 26 Apr 06:21PM Hide picture Hello again. I have tried to make the drum part more simple and have used the repeat signs, but in bars 61 and 62 I have trouble with the two-bar repeat. If I try to put bar 62 up the same system as 61 something strange happends. Ole Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Dave P-B - 27 Apr 04:20AM Hide picture Hi Ole, Post your score here and someone should have a suggestion. Cheers, Dave -- Sib 8 MacPro, 16GB RAM, OS 10.9.5 http://www.davepb.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 27 Apr 05:52AM (edited 27 Apr 06:03AM) Hide picture I don't understand your question, Ole. If you have a 2-bar repeat across measures 61 & 62, it should play whatever is contained in measures 59 & 60. Are you using auto repeats from "jazz articulations" or zymbols? Jeg forstår ikke spørsmålet ditt, Ole. Hvis du har en to-bar gjenta tvers måler 61 og 62, skal det spille tiltak 59 og 60. Bruker du auto gjentakelser fra "jazz articulations" eller symboler? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 27 Apr 11:55AM Hide picture Sorry, I forgot to enclose the score. To Adrian; I'm working with sheet-music so my interest is in print and not how it sounds. Ole Attachment Livin' on a prayer v 6.sib (81K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 27 Apr 03:10PM Hide picture Sorry if I misunderstood, Ole. Unfortunately, your "v.6" score seems to be actually on a more recent version of sib as it won't open in my 7.1.3. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Ole Bollom - 27 Apr 03:23PM Hide picture I have version 7.5.I will try to send it again. Attachment Livin' on a prayer v 6.sib (81K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 27 Apr 07:06PM Hide picture Your file is version 7.5 or later. To send it as v6, you need to export it as previous version. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Dave P-B - 27 Apr 11:09PM Hide picture Hi Ole, There are a few unusual things going on in your file which I normally don't come across. When viewing in print score mode, the score appears as expected. But in panorama mode, there are unrequired key signatures that are misplaced and odd barlines. The first example is at Bar 10/11. Did you originally write your score from scratch or import a MIDI file in to Sibelius? If you have imported a MIDI file, a lot of strange things can happen on the score. I'm going to guess that you've imported a MIDI file because of the way bar 7 is written in the bass, the C.C. on the drums at bar 10 and the instrument names. Just from my experience, I have often found it to be easier and more accurate to manually re-enter the score into a fresh Sibelius score than try to clean up an imported MIDI file. That said, at least the MIDI file has given you a great start (if it is a MIDI import). Incidentally, there are no repeat bar markings on the drums at 61/62 or anywhere else on the drum part. I have re-attached the file as version 6. Cheers, Dave -- Sib 8 MacPro, 16GB RAM, OS 10.9.5 http://www.davepb.com Attachment Prayer v6.sib (141K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Stems direction Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Apr 07:17AM (edited 28 Apr 12:13PM) Hide picture Select the barline berween 10 & 11 and reset position (shift/ctrl/p). Same between 19 & 20. The barline between 27 & 28 can only be repositioned via the inspector (bar properties). Likewise between 35 & 36, 42 & 44, 53 & 54, 62 & 63. All of these positions are displaying negative values and need to be zero'd. 2-bar repeats (via keypad jazz articulations) are working fine. PS. Your drum part would look less messy if you combined the cymbal and snare notes on the same (voice 1) stem. Just a suggestion. I've taken the liberty of tidying your score (attached). Attachment Prayer v713.sib (78K) Back to top | All threads