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*Beaming minims - digitig, 07 Mar 09:32PM
     Re: Beaming minims - Adrian Drover, 07 Mar 11:44PM
     Re: Beaming minims - Steven Edis, 07 Mar 11:48PM
         Re: Beaming minims - Rob Tuley, 08 Mar 12:56AM
             Re: Beaming minims - James, 08 Mar 06:44AM
             Re: Beaming minims - digitig, 09 Mar 12:31AM
                 Re: Beaming minims - Rob Tuley, 09 Mar 02:35AM

*Beaming minims
Posted by digitig - 07 Mar 09:32PM (edited 11 Mar 06:21AM)
I'm transcribing a score by Marc-Antoine Charpentier, and I've come across a passage in 3/2 time where long sequences of minims (half notes) are beamed together. Not just pairs, which I'd assume indicated tremolos, but sequences of 4 or 6. From the beat counts, I assume the intention is that they be equivalent to crotchets (quarter notes), but for authenticity I'd like to transcribe them as beamed minims (with crotchet durations). Is that possible in Sibelius?

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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by Adrian Drover - 07 Mar 11:44PM
Do you mean like this? Appearance/HouseStyle/EngravingRules/Notes&Tremolos, 2-note tremolos.
Attachment tremolos.PNG.png (16K)

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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by Steven Edis - 07 Mar 11:48PM
You can enter the minims under a 4:2 or 6:3 tuplet and hide the tuplet bracket. (Or you can define a new crotchet notehead to look like a minim.)
Then there's a beam in the Lines menu which you can drape across the stems (switch off magnetic layout). It's quite fiddly, you'll need to play with the stem lengths, and it won't be very stable under any respacing.

Alternatively if playback is not important you could write them as quavers with a redefined notehead like a minim, hide the quaver rests in between, and beam them together in the conventional way.

Steve

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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by Rob Tuley - 08 Mar 12:56AM (edited 08 Mar 12:56AM)
> Do you mean like this?

No, this will be French Baroque "white notation". A white notehead with one beam = a modern quarter note, with two beams = an eighth note, etc.

Interesting piece of trivia: this was invented when paper began to be used for music scores rather than vellum. Ink on paper tended to soak in and spread, and the standard square and diamond shaped black noteheads that were in use turned into indistinguishable fuzzy blobs. So somebody had the idea of using open note heads rather than solid ones.

Defining new noteheads in Sibelius is probably easier than endless hidden triplets.

A threads about this, possibly from several years ago - the forum doesn't display the year in dates:
http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=510933&groupid=3&


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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by James - 08 Mar 06:44AM
If you could write the music you want to see by hand on a piece of paper, scan it, save it as a png or jpg, and upload it here, then we could probably help you to create what you want in Sib.

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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by digitig - 09 Mar 12:31AM
That's the one! Got it working nicely now. Thanks.

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Re: Beaming minims
Posted by Rob Tuley - 09 Mar 02:35AM
> If you could write the music you want to see by hand...

See page 21 of this PDF: (not by Charpentier, but no matter!)

http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/2/27/IMSLP31210-PMLP71132-2347662-Concert-instrumental-F-Couperin.pdf

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*Beaming minims - digitig, 07 Mar 09:32PM
     Re: Beaming minims - Adrian Drover, 07 Mar 11:44PM
     Re: Beaming minims - Steven Edis, 07 Mar 11:48PM
         Re: Beaming minims - Rob Tuley, 08 Mar 12:56AM
             Re: Beaming minims - James, 08 Mar 06:44AM
             Re: Beaming minims - digitig, 09 Mar 12:31AM
                 Re: Beaming minims - Rob Tuley, 09 Mar 02:35AM