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SOLVED - Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 31 Jan 07:11AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 31 Jan 08:19AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 31 Jan 11:31PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 10:20AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 01 Feb 10:32PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 01 Feb 10:33PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 10:46PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 02 Feb 10:28AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 02 Feb 10:31PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 03 Feb 05:58AM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 03 Feb 08:30AM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Robert Enns, 03 Feb 01:07PM

SOLVED - Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 31 Jan 07:11AM (edited 04 Feb 03:42PM)
Couldn't find info by searching forum so here goes. I followed the directions from the Sib manual (and later from PSL Neuratron), scanned a very simple piano printed page the intention to send to Sibelius. The preview looked correct; scanned it but the result on screen seemed wrong-missing staves, and the drop down box advising me of problems.
However I then used the upside down icon and mow the page on screen seemed a perfect faithful copy of the original.
But now the option to 'transfer to Sibelius' disappeared, and was grey in the File> send to Sib option.
I retried, rescanned (greyscale)several times but I'm missing a crucial point somewhere.
Can an experienced Photoscore user kindly help please?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Mike Lyons - 31 Jan 08:19AM
A lot will depend on your version of Photoscore. I seem to remember that the button does not recognise point updates of sib. You can, however import the .opt file straight into sibelius. Use Open Another file from the Quick Start.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 31 Jan 11:31PM
Thanks Mike.
The version on my computer is PS Light 6. Is that the problem? I have 6.1.2
Not sure of the process of importing though. I Open Another file from the Quick Start menu as suggested but should I be able to find the file in Programmes; or do I type in a file name?? with the .opt extension.


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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Mike Lyons - 01 Feb 10:20AM (edited 01 Feb 10:30AM)
When you use the file->open, you need to navigate to where you saved the .opt file in PS. You need to know which folder you saved it to. I recommend creating a folder in which to save .opt files, so you don't have to separate them out from sib files in a list! Sib will automatically identify .opt as well as .sib and .mid files.

On re-reading your OP, I am not clear on why turning the page upside down made a difference. It should still find the staves on the page, but the music will be upside down and effectively produce nonsense if you try to recognise it.

PS scans a page and then automatically identifies staves on the page, marking them with purple staves to show what it has recognised.

If you give it a low quality original or if your parameters are wrong for the original size of the page, then these purple staves may not be accurate. It is usually pretty good at knowing when the staff and the purple markers are not aligned.

If you look at the screen, you should be able to tell if the music is the right way up.

The attached may be helpful.




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Attachments initial scan.jpg (207K), incorrect alignment.jpg (83K), scanned page waiting for corrections.jpg (319K), incorrect bar.jpg (106K), staff view.jpg (305K), correction view.jpg (310K)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 01 Feb 10:32PM
Thanks very much for your time and examples Mike; very helpful. I've had some success as a result. I increased the resolution to 300 and it seemed better (Trial scan 1)with the send to Sib option there. When I dbl clicked the editing, it showed the blue staves, pretty much like the original, nothing to change (see Trial scan 2) but now the option to send to Sib.has gone, similar to your screen shot view.
Is there another step I've missed to regain that option because I'm happy with the music and ready to twiddle some bars in Sib.?
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 01 Feb 10:33PM

Scan 1 lost before-sorry
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Mike Lyons - 01 Feb 10:46PM (edited 01 Feb 10:47PM)
You need to actually READ the scanned pages. The first stage finds the staves, the second stage reads the music on the staves (this is what is shown in your Trial Scan 1). You must correct the faulty bars - shown with dotted red lines or Sib will probably fail.

Also - and very important - your piano staves need to be paired. At the moment, Photoscore thinks there are three instruments involved: A treble staff, a bass staff and a grand staff. If you look at the fourth system of music, there is a red line joining the two staves. To do this with the disconnected staves, you have to click one staff then [alt]click the other. Doing it again will separate the staves again.

Try not to drag as you click.

Once you have sorted this, try reading each page in turn.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 02 Feb 10:28AM
Thanks Mike. I noted in the Photoscore manual that it said (for joining the staves) to click as you described. It also said the stave goes red; then alt click the other; that doesn't happen at the first stage (my Trial 1 image); but at the Read stage, where all are blue, yes, the staves that aren't joined, connect with a red line.
Then I'm confused because when this was transferred to Sib the staves were not joined.
If enough patience, just one more tip please Mike. Nearly there!

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Mike Lyons - 02 Feb 10:31PM (edited 02 Feb 10:31PM)
Those blue overlaid staves are just showing you what PS has recognised as staves.

Do you have read pages after scanning selected? Don't. Turn this 'feature' off. Do it manually.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Noel Fidge - 03 Feb 05:58AM
Got it right thanks Mike. That point about 'read pages' selected was crucial apparently. Turned it off and I could navigate as required.
Mind you, I found using it for the first time (after 10 years of having it installed as part of the Sib package!) not so friendly or intuitive but that's probably me!
Appreciate your instruction.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Mike Lyons - 03 Feb 08:30AM
No, Noel, You are correct. It is not very intuitive. However, it can save time when transcribing prior to arranging. It is still not very good at picking up text, even in v8, so I usually end up typing all the text in by hand when there are lyrics.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light
Posted by Robert Enns - 03 Feb 01:07PM
PhotoScore thinks dim. and cresc. are lyrics when they are the only words found and furthermore never spells them correctly. You would think...

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SOLVED - Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 31 Jan 07:11AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 31 Jan 08:19AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 31 Jan 11:31PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 10:20AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 01 Feb 10:32PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 01 Feb 10:33PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 10:46PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 02 Feb 10:28AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 02 Feb 10:31PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Noel Fidge, 03 Feb 05:58AM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Mike Lyons, 03 Feb 08:30AM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Scanning photoscore light - Robert Enns, 03 Feb 01:07PM