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Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 07:58PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:04PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 08:07PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:13PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 08:19PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:45PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Bob Zawalich, 28 Jul 10:28PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 28 Jul 10:40PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Andy G, 28 Jul 10:42PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:33PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:42PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 29 Jul 12:43PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:45PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:47PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 01:08PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 03:09PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 03:54PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 06:50PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Andy G, 29 Jul 09:17PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 09:41PM

Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 28 Jul 07:58PM
I'm stuck because I am trying to enter a couple of chords (Abm6#5 and Abm6b5) that Sibelius seems not to like and therefore will not register correctly.

Any ideas on how to force it to accept the chords?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jul 08:04PM
Use Legacy Chord Text input?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 28 Jul 08:07PM
You're losing me on that one.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jul 08:13PM
See "Legacy chord symbol input" on page 457 of the Sibelius 7.1.3 Reference.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 28 Jul 08:19PM
Oh, uh, yes. I have it turned on. But it still won't accept the chords. I typed them as follows:
Abm6#5
Abm6b5

Not the most prevalent chords but quite common in Bossa Nova. I haven't tried printing the page to see what they do. But on the screen, they just turn red and won't convert my "b" to a flat symbol.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jul 08:45PM
If they turn red, then they are not Legacy Chord Text, but new-style Chord Objects. With Legacy Chord Text, you can type anything you like.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 28 Jul 10:28PM
To create ooccasional chords as legacy Chords, right click on while space and get the Create menu. From there, use Create > Text>Special text > Chord Symbol.

You can then type pretty much what you want, and there is a right-click menu as well.

Legacy chords will not present chord diagrams and you can't play them in from your MIDI keyboard, and they do not do the automatic formatting that Chord Symbol Objects do, but the have fewer restrictions.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Jul 10:40PM
I use legacy all the time. Works fine for me. BTW, which tunes use those chord spellings. Can't say I've come across them, and I'm a big fan of Antonio Carlos J. Seems to me that Abm6b5 is simply Abo7 and Abm6#5 is Abo7 with suspended Enat.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Andy G - 28 Jul 10:42PM
Adrian's beaten me to it. I must confess that I've not come across these chords as described, though the dim7 seems a wee bit familiar! :)

What Bossas use them?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 12:33PM
Well, I do not wish to initiate a semantics match or interpretational argument. The cadence of this chord is used in various Bossas such as Quiet Nights. Regardless, I wish to play a chord containing an Ab/B/D/E. I was trained by a classical music theorist who always described this as Abm6#5. (Would not the diminished seventh contain Ab/B/D/F?)

All this is besides the point. I am kindly asking for your expertise in Sibelius to let me express a chord I wish to use.

Thank you again for your help.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 12:42PM
It's weird, Mr. Walker. I have checked and double-checked. My Legacy Chord option is turned on, but my chords are still red. I am playing a chord contain these notes: Ab/B/F/E. The only other voice descriptions of this configuration make even less sense to me. I was trained this is an Abm6#5.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Robin Walker - 29 Jul 12:43PM
Please attach a Sibelius .sib score file which demonstrates the issue of red chord symbols.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 12:45PM
Here is it. The name doesn't match up to the title but this is the one.
Attachment With Christ In My Life.sib (38K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 12:47PM
Okay then, Adrian Drover, please tell me how to describe Abo7 with suspended Enat in Sibelius.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 01:08PM
Wow, Mr. Zawalich, this is what I was looking for. It works! I still don't know why my Legacy Chord thing isn't working. But your technique works.

Thank you!

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Jul 03:09PM (edited 29 Jul 03:17PM)
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 12:33
The cadence of this chord is used in various Bossas such as Quiet Nights. Regardless, I wish to play a chord containing an Ab/B/D/E. I was trained by a classical music theorist who always described this as Abm6#5.
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Well then, I think your classical music theorist should know that Ab,B,D,E is E7 with G# in the bass (1st inversion) E7/G#. And also that Abm6#5 has an F in it, and no D.

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Okay then, Adrian Drover, please tell me how to describe Abo7 with suspended Enat in Sibelius.
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I don't know how to make Sibelius realize chord symbols. I only use legacy for chord symbol input. But I would probably write it as Fo^7/Ab or Abo7(susE) for pro musicians to read, or better still write the actual notes I want played.




(Would not the diminished seventh contain Ab/B/D/F?)
Attachment Abo7(susE).PNG.png (4K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Jul 03:54PM
Just had a listen to Corcovado and this is what I hear. The harmony is simplicity itself. Does your funny chord symbol relate to bars 3 & 4 by any chance?
Attachment corcovado.sib (109K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Denny Blew - 29 Jul 06:50PM
Sorry, had I mis-typed. The chord I am after contains Ab/B/E & F. In your opinion, how would you call this combination?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Andy G - 29 Jul 09:17PM
The sheet music in front of me shows the opening chords as D9, followed by Abdim in bars 3 and 4. Above that Abdim are the notes E,D,E,D,E,D,E. Are you saying that you want a new chord symbol for each of these notes? Or am I barking up the wrong tree here? (Quite possible!)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Jul 09:41PM
But the D9 has A in the bass, right? The second chord could be called Abo7(omit5) which leaves the melody free to alternate between D & E.

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Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to reject - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 07:58PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:04PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 08:07PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:13PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 28 Jul 08:19PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 28 Jul 08:45PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Bob Zawalich, 28 Jul 10:28PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 28 Jul 10:40PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Andy G, 28 Jul 10:42PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:33PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:42PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Robin Walker, 29 Jul 12:43PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:45PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 12:47PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 01:08PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 03:09PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 03:54PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Denny Blew, 29 Jul 06:50PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Andy G, 29 Jul 09:17PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: chords that sibelius seems to r... - Adrian Drover, 29 Jul 09:41PM