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Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and cr... - Rosemary, 23 Jul 09:25AM
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                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Robin Walker, 23 Jul 12:46PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Patrick O'Keefe, 23 Jul 03:55PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Ronald Pearl, 23 Jul 04:30PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Bob Porter, 23 Jul 04:30PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 23 Jul 06:24PM
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                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 03 Aug 10:57AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 03 Aug 11:00AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Robin Walker, 03 Aug 11:10AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 03 Aug 11:16AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Robin Walker, 03 Aug 11:21AM
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                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 03 Aug 12:03PM
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Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 23 Jul 09:25AM
I'm playing back an orchestral piece which has played back fine until now. (I had sorted a problem via the forum in March. The sounds are distorting very badly, with crackly sounds also. What do I need to do to stop it happening? Thanks

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jul 10:44AM
Please tell us whether this is on Windows, or on Mac OS.

Does the problem happen on all scores, or just one score?

Please attach screen-shots of the following Sibelius dialogues:
1. Playback Devices;
2. Audio Engine Options.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 23 Jul 11:19AM
It happens on Windows and it's happening on all scores.

I'm currently trying to work out how to attach screen-shots....

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jul 11:22AM
Use the Windows "Snipping Tool"

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 23 Jul 11:32AM
I can write music.....play Chopin Ballades and Bach fugues...but snipping...nope...can't yet work it out

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jul 12:46PM
Click the Start button, and, in the search box, type snipping. That will find the Snipping Tool for you, which you double-click.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 23 Jul 03:55PM
Unless, of course, you are using something older than Windows 7. Snipping Tool was new with Windows 7.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Ronald Pearl - 23 Jul 04:30PM
This may be overly obvious, but have you shut down your computer and then restarted it? If Sibelius has been open for a long time, and occasionally if my computer has been open for a good while, playback will get very shaky - lots of clicks and notes dropping out; restarting solves this. Can't say why - it always feels as though my computer has just gotten tired of Sibelius; and yes, I realize that is not a very technical answer. But the restart does the trick for me, so just a thought.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Bob Porter - 23 Jul 04:30PM
Or you can copy and paste. Use the print screen (prtsc) button.
press Function (FN)+ prtsc. That copies the screen. Open Paint. Press CTRL + V (paste). Save As to make an image file you can post.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 23 Jul 06:24PM
Hi - thanks for idea of shutting computer down - I've done that for other things. On this occasion I'd only just fired it up.

Thanks also for idea of cutting and pasting - I tried to copy and paste several times - got as far as saving the document in dropbox but it won't copy into this box.

My next, rather feeble answer is to wait for my husband to come back and ask him as he is an IT consultant! I just wanted to be able to do this!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jul 07:17PM
On this forum, attachments must be:
1. of size less than 900 kBytes;
2. of type only .png, .jpg, .sib with the extension spelt in lower-case.
Even then, some sub-types of JPEG are not accepted.
The best format for screen-shots is PNG.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 10:57AM
ok here's a screen shot of play back - I hope it's the right window...
Attachment Sibelius playback page for help forum.png (391K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 11:00AM
Where do I find 'Audio Engine Options'?

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 03 Aug 11:10AM
No, that's not the dialogue asked for.

We are asking for a screen-shot of the "Playback Devices" dialogue, which is reached from the "Play" tab of the ribbon, section Setup.

Once you are there, "Audio Engine Options" is a button within "Playback Devices".

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 11:16AM
OK - is this correct?
Attachment Sibelius Audio Engine.PNG.png (42K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 03 Aug 11:21AM
Yes, but what about the "Playback Devices" screen-shot?

In the meantime, we learn from your screen-shot that output is sent to "Primary Sound Driver". The next thing we need to understand is what that device is, as physical hardware. The Windows control panel "Sound", tab "Playback", should tell you what is selected as the default sound output device.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 11:37AM
here is "Playback Devices" screen-shot and for Windows Sounds
Attachment Sibelius Control panel 'Sounds'.PNG.png (40K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 11:41AM
Playback Device screen shot again - as I think Sounds screen shot has eaten it.
Attachment Sibelius Playback devices screen shot.PNG.png (71K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Robin Walker - 03 Aug 11:45AM (edited 03 Aug 11:46AM)
So, we discover that the sound output hardware device is a chip on the motherboard: this will be an economy consumer-grade mass-produced device, and will be limited in its performance capabilities.

We still have not seen the Sibelius "Playback Devices" dialogue, which you should have discovered on your way to "Audio Engine Options".

In "Audio Engine Options", the "Sample rate" is set far too high: this needs to be reduced to 44100. Does Sibelius perform better with that setting?

If not, you might have reached the limits of the capabilities of the audio output hardware on that PC.

Sometimes, the performance of such single-chip solutions can be improved with the installation of "ASIO4ALL" from http://www.asio4all.com/
but that introduces a whole new layer of complexity for the user to configure and manage.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 12:03PM
Thank you - I am receiving a computer with a larger capacity at the end of this week - for writing for screen, so I think these issues may well resolve, but I want to work on a piece over the next few days. I'll adjust the "Sample rate" setting as you suggest and test that. Thanks.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Rosemary - 03 Aug 12:15PM
ok I changed the "sample rate" setting to 44100hz. The sound is still distorting, although less so. Perhaps then your suggestion that I may have reached the limits of this computer's capability is the correct answer. Therefore, I will wait now and see what happens on the new computer. Thanks again for your help with this issue.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting and crackling badly
Posted by Mike Lyons - 03 Aug 04:42PM
Rosemary, I suspect at least one of the following also applies:

You have 4GB or less of RAM
You have limited hard drive space
You may be running a lot of background programs
Your sounds are loaded from the same disc you are running the program from (Drive C:)

We already know that you are using the bog standard chip that comes on most motherboards.

You might also experiment with different buffer sizes. This can both make it better and make it worse. Note the current setting and then you can always put it back to the default starting position.

You may get an improvement in performance if you use a free ASIO driver. Many people use ASIO4ALL. Again, it works for most - but not all situations. If it doesn't work, you've lost nothing.

If you can afford it, you might also try NotePerformer. For me, it gives much better results than Sibelius sounds.

Hope this helps.

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                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Robin Walker, 23 Jul 12:46PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Patrick O'Keefe, 23 Jul 03:55PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Ronald Pearl, 23 Jul 04:30PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Bob Porter, 23 Jul 04:30PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Rosemary, 23 Jul 06:24PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 suddenly distorting an... - Robin Walker, 23 Jul 07:17PM
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