I have an arrangment where the length of the staves exceeds the page limit. I´ve compared it to "healthy" arrangements and can´t seem to find any big differents in staff size, margins etc. Any ideas what happened here? Check the uploaded image.
Ok, thanks for replying. It´s included here. Imported via XML from Finale, but I have a bunch of other arrangements from the same batch that don´t have this problem.
Very badly behaved score/parts you have there! - if you change the right hand margin in parts to about 85! it looks ok but still lots of issues.
Hopefully there is a simple fix/explanation for this other than just an XML export/import problem
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The right-hand page margin was crazy, and the music had been forced outside the margin.
Corrected by:
- repeat for each page: select the hidden handle one space to the right of the end of each staff, and "Reset Position" to move it back to the staff margin;
- correct the right-hand page margin.
Corrected score attached.
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Thanks! It´s hard to move the handles when they are on the other page. How do you get to the "reset position" function?
If I fix this by adjusting the margins I can´t move the title or noe other text anywhere but up and down. What the heck has happened to this arrangement?
But the margins in the score are ok, how do you reset position?
Do you use the "document setup" feature in the "layout" tab?
Sorry, margins and document setup are not my most used Sibelius features. :)
The margins in the score are NOT OK, and are the root of the whole problem. Turn on View -> Invisibles -> Page Margins and you will see that they are wrong, and the music flows to the right of the margin.
> how do you reset position?
On Windows: Ctrl-Shift-P
On Mac OS: Command-Shift-P
On the ribbon: tab Appearance -> Design & Position -> Reset Position
> Do you use the "document setup" feature in the "layout" tab?
Not for "Reset Position". Use "Document Setup" afterwards to correct the right-hand Page Margin.
> Sorry, margins and document setup are not my most used Sibelius features.
Just do as I described in my post of 17:54 yesterday, in the Full Score (not the Dynamic Parts). If you cannot find the hidden handles, then turn on View -> Invisibles -> Handles.
The problem arose because of the way the score was formatted in Finale.
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You might want to spend some time studying the manual and document set up in the layout. There also tutorials online and on YouTube that help with document set up. The time you invest in learning will pay off handsomely in terms of future projects and frustrations in manual manipulation. (Trust me, I know!). FWIW
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Hello again! Your advice helped a lot, and of course I still have som messed up files. Now I have a really big arrangement where the staves are messed up on the left side. Margins are good, but I manually have to drag each and every handle on the left side to the margin, since reset position doesn´t seem to work like it did on the right side. There are also some bars that are totally messed up that I can only correct when unlocking format. Sibelius 7.5 is also crashing all the time while I trying to correct things. I would really appreciate a second opinion. I´ve included the file.
When importing a file, especially a Finale file that's been extensively modified:
1. Import a standard house style;
2. Select all (Ctrl-A/Cmd-A)
3. Unlock format
4. Reset design
5. Reset position
6. Check the margins in setup.
7. Look at the staff handles if there are still issues.
> Now I have a really big arrangement where the staves are messed up on the left side. Margins are good,
No, they are not good: check the "Staff Margins" in "Document Setup" - there are some outlandish values for the left hand staff margins in the Dynamic Parts, such as a "No Names" value of 88.9!! That's why there are large left margins.
> but I manually have to drag each and every handle on the left side to the margin,
PLEASE do not do that! This will only lead to grief later on, if the score gets re-formatted, and then you will wonder why you are now seeing clefs and key signatures in the middle of a system. Please just adjust "Document Setup" to set the margins that you desire: that is all that needs to be done.
Or, as another poster has suggested, you should unlock format, and import a standard House Style: then all these weird margin settings would be reset to their Sibelius defaults, and you can start again.
> There are also some bars that are totally messed up that I can only correct when unlocking format.
Can you point them out?
In any case, do not be reluctant to unlock format. It's almost always necessary after an import from a different score-writing application. No two score-writers have the same ideas about optimal layout, and forcing one's defaults upon another will not lead to happiness.
Get the music to come right first, then worry about layout as the very last thing you do to a score. And then, use Sibelius's own layout facilities to establish the layout you want, rather than relying on imported layout directives.
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Ok, I totally appreciate the help.
I have never imported from Finale in this scale before, and 99% of the time I work with my own documents and arrangements, so therefore I have never had a need for working with margins in this manner.
I have now exported house styles for both score and parts from a "healthy" document and that did the trick.
I find it hard to know what the margins should be in number values. Is there a standard for this? I guess one has to open a new document and see. You can see the first page of the oboe part to see some of the messed up bars.
But except for these problems that Rob helped me with earlier (some documents with messed up margins), I haven´t had to many layout related problems when using XML export in Finale.
However, I´m amazed at all the tempo information that´s lost (it´s only on the top of the score, not repeated in every part), trills and ornaments that are lost, octave errors and instrument changes that are not translated properly.
And the most recent version of Sib 7.5 on a mac with OSX 10.9.5 has crashed over a hundred times in a little over a month.
That is unacceptable, even if working with imported scores.
Thanx again for all advice, people. I´m under heavy pressure at the time for a big musical show, and every minute counts for preparation. If you´re ever in Oslo, hit me up and I´ll buy you a beer or a cup of coffe. :) Thanks!