'Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?'

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Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle... - Ross Tucker, 02 Jul 11:50AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robin Walker, 02 Jul 12:46PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Laurence Payne, 02 Jul 01:27PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Philip Sparke, 02 Jul 02:30PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robert Hsiao, 02 Jul 02:33PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Laurence Payne, 02 Jul 03:29PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - James, 02 Jul 03:54PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jul 04:29PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Ross Tucker, 02 Jul 04:47PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robin Walker, 02 Jul 05:12PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Mike Lyons, 04 Jul 09:42AM

Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Ross Tucker - 02 Jul 11:50AM
Can anyone tell me how to add a double barline in the middle of a measure?
Thanks.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Robin Walker - 02 Jul 12:46PM
You can fake them. But what is the meaning of barlines in the middle of a bar? In other words, please provide us with some context of what you are trying to achieve, rather than the particular solution that you have in mind.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 02 Jul 01:27PM
Generally,don't. Split the bar so its a real barline. There are plugins that can help you hide the unwanted time signatures, adjust bar numbering, insert a line break if required etc.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Philip Sparke - 02 Jul 02:30PM (edited 02 Jul 02:33PM)
I'm still using v6 so if you're on v7 this might be different. It's simply a matter of Create>Barline>Double and you can plonk it where you like.

I often use this (for example) in hymns to show where the new verse starts if there is an anacrusis. This is quite common practice in such situations.

I hope I've understood your question correctly.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Robert Hsiao - 02 Jul 02:33PM (edited 02 Jul 02:36PM)
There are couple of method to do this. you can insert the time signature and hide it. or insert irregular bar.

I would prefer to add irregular bar, compare to use time signature, distance problem between the first note and barline can be solved too. you even could change the barline as dash line, or double line as you wish.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 02 Jul 03:29PM
For several reasons it's better to actually split the bar than just insert a cosmetic barline.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by James - 02 Jul 03:54PM
Ross Tucker,

Are you talking about a repeat sign or a double bar sign?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 02 Jul 04:29PM
I agree with Laurence - the Split Bar Command will nicely split the bar into 2 bars and you can change the barline of the first split bar to a double barline. This deals with the spacing and bar numbering and time signature issues, so it is really the best way to accomplish this.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Ross Tucker - 02 Jul 04:47PM
I would like a dotted double bar line (not a repeat sign) or the single dotted bar line 'or' the regular double barline. I'm trying to show (in a church hymn) where the verse ends, and the refrain begins ...which happens to be right in the middle of the bar. When I add a double barline it appears right next to the notes. I would like to create some space between the barline and the notes.
Thanks.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Robin Walker - 02 Jul 05:12PM
> When I add a double barline it appears right next to the notes. I would like to create some space between the barline and the notes.

If you split the bar, than change the new barline to a double, that will take care of the spacing issues.

If you insert a fake double barline, then, yes, you will need to re-space the other contents of the bar to make room for it. You can do this by selecting the note/rest immediately after the fake barline, and pressing Shift-Alt-rightarrow repeatedly.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle of a measure?
Posted by Mike Lyons - 04 Jul 09:42AM
By far the least time consuming and low maintenance method is the one suggested above. Use the split bar plug in button on the ribbon, make the separating barline double as you would any other. There's no messing with spacing needed and the plugin takes care of bar numbering.

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Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the middle... - Ross Tucker, 02 Jul 11:50AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robin Walker, 02 Jul 12:46PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Laurence Payne, 02 Jul 01:27PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Philip Sparke, 02 Jul 02:30PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robert Hsiao, 02 Jul 02:33PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Laurence Payne, 02 Jul 03:29PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - James, 02 Jul 03:54PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jul 04:29PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Ross Tucker, 02 Jul 04:47PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Robin Walker, 02 Jul 05:12PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: putting double barlines in the mi... - Mike Lyons, 04 Jul 09:42AM