'Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata'

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Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 09:11AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Mike Lyons, 25 Jun 01:06PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Laurence Payne, 25 Jun 01:37PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Roy Moore, 25 Jun 02:01PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Laurence Payne, 25 Jun 03:04PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Roy Moore, 25 Jun 06:07PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 06:36PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Patrick O'Keefe, 25 Jun 06:47PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Patrick O'Keefe, 25 Jun 06:41PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Mike Lyons, 25 Jun 07:45PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 26 Jun 06:46AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 08:53AM

Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Adrian Drover - 25 Jun 09:11AM
If you write a pause on the last beat of the last measure of the score, it has no effect. And if you edit the live duration of the paused note, it still has no effect. Seems the only solution is to write an invisible tempo change.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Mike Lyons - 25 Jun 01:06PM
Do you have the 'fermata' option ticked in the inspector? You have to have the fermata from the 4th keypad layout and set the durations and, if you want one, the gap - does that facility exist in 7.1.3?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 Jun 01:37PM
Have you tried it,Mike?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Roy Moore - 25 Jun 02:01PM (edited 25 Jun 07:59PM)
Incorrect info deleted - corrected in later post

, (comma) as breath mark (shorten previous note)
// (caesura)
While we're there 'A Tempo' works in 7.5

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 Jun 03:04PM
Yes, but have you both actually TRIED what Adrian's reporting?
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Roy Moore - 25 Jun 06:07PM (edited 25 Jun 06:41PM)
My post refers to 7.5 where what Adrian is trying to do is easily achievable.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Adrian Drover - 25 Jun 06:36PM
No, Mike is right. I didn't have the fermata checked. It does work in 7.1.3. Just that I've always relied on default length pauses. Thanx, Guys. I've just learned something new.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 25 Jun 06:47PM
> The ability to extend duration of a fermata in the inspector was a new feature in 7.5 as well as setting values for:
> , (comma) as breath mark (shorten previous note)
> // (caesura)

Huh? The ability to change set the duration of the fermata (and the ability to set the value of a following gap) using the inspector existed in 7.1. It even existed in Sib 6 equivalent of the inspector. (I don't remember what it was called.)

Support for the breath mark and caesura is new.


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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 25 Jun 06:41PM
> If you write a pause on the last beat of the last measure of the score, it has no effect. And if you edit the live duration of the paused note, it still has no effect. Seems the only solution is to write an invisible tempo change.

Based on the subject of this thread, I assume the "pause" you refer to is a fermata. If that is not the case, ignore everything in my posting.

I tried this and had no trouble. Both the default 150% duration fermata (i.e., not using the inspector) and setting a duration with the inspector worked for me. Just in case you were referring to a trailing gap, I added one with the inspector and that worked, too.

Now, I tried the fermata on a whole note and on the last quarter note in a 4/4 bar. I didn't try any other note durations so this wasn't a very complete test.

Maybe you should attach a score showing the problem just in case I was testing the wrong thing.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Mike Lyons - 25 Jun 07:45PM (edited 25 Jun 07:46PM)
There's a bit of a fuzzy bit in the implementation, I seem to recall, where you have to select the note, rather than the fermata itself, but the fermata has to be present for it to work. Do you know any different Laurence?

Glad you got it sorted, Adrian.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Adrian Drover - 26 Jun 06:46AM
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 25 Jun 18:47
It even existed in Sib 6 equivalent of the inspector. (I don't remember what it was called.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"Properties" (which I still prefer to call it, and still use Shift/Ctrl/P to open it).
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Jun 08:53AM
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 25 Jun 18:41
I assume the "pause" you refer to is a fermata.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yep, Patrick. "Pause", "Hold", "Bird's Eye" all mean "Fermata" to me. I was never much good at Italian.
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Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 09:11AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Mike Lyons, 25 Jun 01:06PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Laurence Payne, 25 Jun 01:37PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Roy Moore, 25 Jun 02:01PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Laurence Payne, 25 Jun 03:04PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Roy Moore, 25 Jun 06:07PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 06:36PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Patrick O'Keefe, 25 Jun 06:47PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Patrick O'Keefe, 25 Jun 06:41PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Mike Lyons, 25 Jun 07:45PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 26 Jun 06:46AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Uncooperative fermata - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 08:53AM