Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 19 Apr 04:21AM (edited 19 Apr 04:56AM) Hide picture Ive decided I can no longer freely give of so much of my time--precious time-- to help answer questions Avid support should be answering, when in return we as users in the past saw Daniel and all being fired, and now have the new subscription plan. I wasnt active on the forum like I am now, during the time with Daniel, or Id like to think I would have stopped then. I always admired what Bob Z did then, and is doing now to show his displeasure with Avid. Way to go Bob! And I say precious time as those of you who know me personally know Im a Viet Nam vet, and Agent Orange victim with many severe health problems, so time IS precious--and using it to help others keeps me going, and Ive tremendously enjoyed helping many people here, but I simply cant in good conscience do it anymore, with Avids recent, and past actions, which I consider simply horrible.. I realize this will make absolutely NO difference in anything, and the forum, and Avid will continue just fine without me... but in all good conscience I simply wont continue doing Avids job for them. The EXCELLENT support from this forum, and our word of mouth recommendations to buy Sib helps to sell and provide support for Sibelius to many many users, while we quite often hear horror stories about Avids own support, and peoples experience with them. As someone so beautifully put it "we are Avids Sales team"..but I will NOT help sell Sibelius any more. And I wont continue getting screwed along with everyone else, while watching the CEO make 7 million bucks last year, and this forum, and the EXCELLENT support here being part of the reason why hes so rich, and why Sibelius is considered such an EXCELLENT program.. And as a thank you we get a subscription plan, with the added SPECIAL thank you severe punishment of having to rebuy Sib AGAIN for $700 bucks if we fall of the subscription plan. Unreal. There have been many really great people here, and Im thankful to have met you, and known you, and worked along side of you here on the forum. And to Mr Louis Hernandez, CEO-- shame on you for what youve done, and are doing to Sibelius, its users, its developers, etc-- youve taken something really special, and seem hell bent on TOTALLY destroying it, while making HUGE bucks doing so. SHAME ON YOU Thanks Bob PS The two polls I recently posted shows Im not alone in feeling this way. http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=674585&groupid=3& http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=674454&groupid=3& -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 19 Apr 04:44AM Hide picture I have noticed we have approximately 45 people on this forum who actively help people with their Sibelius or notational issues. If all those would stop further interactions on this forum it would severely undermine Sibelius as a viable and active program in the casual persons eyes. This might be a good action for all to take. It can/may be difficult as a good deal derive pleasure in the passing on of knowledge to someone else. -- Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, Bob Zawalich plugins, NotePerformer 1.3.3, dolet 6.4 (update 10-3-2014) Finale 2010b,2011b,2012c, 2014d, TGTools pro, Patterson plugins, JW Plugins, GPO4, World Instruments MuseScore 2 (seeing what's out there) ProTools 9.5, Reaper Notion 4, Notion 5 (bought but not installed), Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3 Windows XP Pro (32 bit); 2@ 7 Pro (64bit); 8.1 Pro (64 bit)/ 4-16GB Ram across four PC's Pencil & Paper Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Peter McAleer - 19 Apr 07:23AM Hide picture I stopped taking an active roll as soon as Daniel's team were fired (not that I was *that* active!). Daniel was on this forum almost endlessly as many of us remember, often into the small hours. I noticed then that some very good people suddenly stepped in to cover for the huge void that Daniel left. Bob Morabito not least among them (and Robin W). So my tribute here to them. It's a serious step for someone like Bob to take and I'll bet it hurts. Take note Avid. For once. -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Peter McAleer - 19 Apr 07:28AM Hide picture I should also add there were others that stepped in (you know who you are Laurence!) I do realise that! Apologies for missing names out. -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 Apr 07:34AM Hide picture Thanks for all the good work you have done on this forum, Bob. I, for one, will miss having you answer questions here. I totally understand why you would choose to do that, and why you would do it now. All the best for you and your music in the future. -- Bob An experienced user of Sibelius. Sib 1.2 - 7.5, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2015. Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Laurence Payne - 19 Apr 08:57AM Hide picture You've helped a lot of Sibelius users, Bob. Despite our differences, I certainly wish you a long and happy retirement. Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Terry Dwyer - 19 Apr 09:11AM Hide picture Many, many thanks, Bob, for all your wonderful support and advice. Terry -- Sib 6.2 NotePerformer iMac OSX Mountain Lion 4 Gig RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Nicholas Freestone - 19 Apr 09:51AM Hide picture Yes, thank you, Bob for your service on the forum and all the work that you have done over the past few years. -- MacBook Pro, OS X 10.10.2, 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5, 16GB RAM, Sibelius 7.5.1 Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Andy G - 19 Apr 12:48PM Hide picture I've learnt an awful lot from your many, many replies to questions over the years. Thanks for all your help and support and enjoy your 'retirement'. We'll miss you! -- PC: [email protected],4GB RAM.Win 7. M-Audio 2496 + Terratec DMX6Fire USB. Sib 6.2 and 7.1.3. Web: www.andrew-gilbert.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Richard Schletty - 19 Apr 02:43PM Hide picture I am willing to boycott this forum, too. I have protested Adobe's Creative Cloud 7 subscription plan, opting to stick with my perpetual license for Creative Suite 6/6.5. This decision has only bit me once so far – I recently received a CC7 Illustrator document from a huge and important client of mine. The file "may have lost some information" when being opened up in Illustrator 6.5. I was able to work with the file, thankfully, and get the job done. I think layer information was jettisoned. This is how these companies extort money form us – adding new (mostly unneeded) features while refusing to make files fully backwardly compatible. Plus, some longstanding coding bugs affecting core functionality may remain unfixed (like creating a harp glissando that sticks to the notes and is able to cross staves). Subscription-based licensing is an evil thing for many people with fewer resources. Imagine paying the piper every month in perpetuity, rather than just once, up front. I encourage everyone to stick with Sibelius 7.5 or look at alternative engraving programs. Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Francesco - 19 Apr 03:13PM Hide picture Thanks for all, Bob. It's sad to hear such things from you, but I understand. ..and no more a cent to avid: I'll stick with 6.2 then we'll see. Rather paper and pencil. Or go with the free Musescore! Of course the professional engravers must work with professional programs. That is the evil in the thing: someone will be *forced* to accept! -- Francesco --- Sib6.2, Win7 Pro SP1, Intel DualCore [email protected] GHz, 6GB Ram, Steinberg UR22 Grandorgue, Pianoteq, GPO4, JABB3, CoMB2, GCPO, NotePerformer, XCE, Kontakt 5, Reaper, Photoscore Ultimate 6 Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:50AM Hide picture > Thanks for all, Bob. It's sad to hear such things from you, but I understand. > > ..and no more a cent to avid: I'll stick with 6.2 then we'll see. Rather paper and pencil. Or go with the free Musescore! Of course the professional engravers must work with professional programs. That is the evil in the thing: someone will be *forced* to accept! > > -- > Francesco > --- Thanks so much Francesco--your kind words--and great advice-- are very much appreciated:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Peter Roos - 19 Apr 03:23PM Hide picture Thanks for all you help Bob. As to boycotting this forum, bear in mind that that may actually help Avid by driving people towards getting paid support if they can't set their issues sorted out here. Avid's vision for the future is one where everyone is connected to the Avid collaboration platform (Avid Everywhere, Avid Cloud Cloud Collaboration, Avid Marketplace), with expanded options to buy updates and upgrades and e.g. new plugins for Pro Tools. Fascinating and creepy at the same time (One Ring to Rule Them All, Hal9000, Skynet, etc.). -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Laurence Payne - 19 Apr 03:48PM Hide picture > Thanks for all you help Bob. > > As to boycotting this forum, bear in mind that that may actually help Avid by driving people towards getting paid support if they can't set their issues sorted out here. Avid's vision for the future is one where everyone is connected to the Avid collaboration platform (Avid Everywhere, Avid Cloud Cloud Collaboration, Avid Marketplace), with expanded options to buy updates and upgrades and e.g. new plugins for Pro Tools. Fascinating and creepy at the same time (One Ring to Rule Them All, Hal9000, Skynet, etc.). > > -- > Peter Roos Just like buying into Mac. Not that M$ wouldn't love to move the same way! Is it continuous support? Or was there something about a certain number of tickets each subscription year? Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 19 Apr 06:56PM Hide picture Bob, I wish there were a way to abandon Avid without abandoning Sibelius users. The help you've provided is going to be missed greatly. And this kind of help is going to be even more important as people disconnect from Avid. I hope all of us that are frustrated with Avid will find some way of maintaining a community of Sibelius users - some way of providing mutual support. The forum at http://www.sibeliusforum.com/ has no connection with Avid. Maybe we should consider moving there. However it comes about, I hope we cross paths again in the future - maybe on a Steinberg forum :-). -- Patrick O'Keefe Sib 7.5, GPO4, NotePerformer, lots of EWQL stuff Win7 x64 Pro Intel i7-4771, 3.50Ghz, 16GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:54AM Hide picture > Bob, I wish there were a way to abandon Avid without abandoning Sibelius users. The help you've provided is going to be missed greatly. And this kind of help is going to be even more important as people disconnect from Avid. > > I hope all of us that are frustrated with Avid will find some way of maintaining a community of Sibelius users - some way of providing mutual support. The forum at http://www.sibeliusforum.com/ has no connection with Avid. Maybe we should consider moving there. > > However it comes about, I hope we cross paths again in the future - maybe on a Steinberg forum :-). > > -- > Patrick O'Keefe > Thanks so much Pat--your kind words are very much appreciated, as are your thoughts on the matter. Again I ask any user who feels Ive hurt them by this to please let me know, as that was NEVER my intention..and relocating the forum elsewhere is a REAL good idea.:) And we WILL cross paths:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 Apr 06:58PM Hide picture Is M$ really still either meaningful or necessary? (I worked there a long time and find it rather offensive, but don't mind me). Microsoft is also trying to convince people subscriptions are good. Office 365 is that. I still don't care for it. -- Bob An experienced user of Sibelius. Sib 1.2 - 7.5, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2015. Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Laurence Payne - 19 Apr 08:47PM (edited 21 Apr 09:30AM) Hide picture Isn't M$ just the standard abbreviation for Microsoft? Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Steve - 19 Apr 09:08PM (edited 21 Apr 09:51PM) Hide picture post deleted due to being censored by AVID -- Sibelius 7.1.3, iMac - Snow Leopard 2015. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Don Harriss - 21 Apr 05:41AM Hide picture Thank you for your service and for your service to the Sibelius community. -- Don Harriss Sib 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.10.1 MacBook Pro 1TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 21 Apr 09:53AM Hide picture Hi Bob, Sorry to hear you feel this way. Sorry too to hear you will no longer be helping out on this forum. Sam -- Sam Butler | Product Manager | Sibelius [email protected] | @avid_sam | @AvidSibelius Contact the Sibelius support team: www.sibelius.com/documents/contact_form.html KB and other resources: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Tony Wakefield - 21 Apr 10:55AM Hide picture Have just seen your `resignation` and wish you well colleague. $7M? How obscene, but then I did post something about yachts in the big thread. It`d be outrageous if all large boat manufacturers were to sell their products with a licence proviso that half a million dollars annual subscription was required. Don`t think the boat owners would like that somehow. -- http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/tonywakefield Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 12:02PM Hide picture > Have just seen your `resignation` and wish you well colleague. $7M? How obscene, but then I did post something about yachts in the big thread. > It`d be outrageous if all large boat manufacturers were to sell their products with a licence proviso that half a million dollars annual subscription was required. Don`t think the boat owners would like that somehow. > > -- > http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/tonywakefield Thanks so much Tony--I appreciate your kind words very much.. and yeah $7 million is REALLY obscene! I very much like your subscription plan for the boat owners..maybe the CEO of Avid, might THEN understand! Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:59AM Hide picture > Hi Bob, > > Sorry to hear you feel this way. Sorry too to hear you will no longer be helping out on this forum. > > Sam > Thanks so much Sam--your kind words are very much appreciated:) Thanks Bob PS Perhaps if the Sib user base was treated more fairly, and stuff like Daniel at all, and this subscription plan never happened, there would be no need for actions like this, and those taken by other Sib users. But knowing Avid, it will NEVER be. -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:56AM Hide picture > Thank you for your service and for your service to the Sibelius community. > > -- > Don Harriss > Sib 7.5.1 > Mac OS 10.10.1 MacBook Pro 1TB SSD Thanks so much Don--your kind words about my service and the forum are very much appreciated:) It was very nice to say, and thanks again:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:52AM Hide picture > Thanks for all you help Bob. > > As to boycotting this forum, bear in mind that that may actually help Avid by driving people towards getting paid support if they can't set their issues sorted out here. Avid's vision for the future is one where everyone is connected to the Avid collaboration platform (Avid Everywhere, Avid Cloud Cloud Collaboration, Avid Marketplace), with expanded options to buy updates and upgrades and e.g. new plugins for Pro Tools. Fascinating and creepy at the same time (One Ring to Rule Them All, Hal9000, Skynet, etc.). > > -- > Peter Roos Thanks so much Peter--your kind words are very much appreciated, and you brought up a very good point..I ask that any user who feels hurt or left out by what Ive done to please let me know, as that WASNT my intention at all.:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:48AM Hide picture > I am willing to boycott this forum, too. I have protested Adobe's Creative Cloud 7 subscription plan, opting to stick with my perpetual license for Creative Suite 6/6.5. This decision has only bit me once so far – I recently received a CC7 Illustrator document from a huge and important client of mine. The file "may have lost some information" when being opened up in Illustrator 6.5. I was able to work with the file, thankfully, and get the job done. I think layer information was jettisoned. This is how these companies extort money form us – adding new (mostly unneeded) features while refusing to make files fully backwardly compatible. Plus, some longstanding coding bugs affecting core functionality may remain unfixed (like creating a harp glissando that sticks to the notes and is able to cross staves). Subscription-based licensing is an evil thing for many people with fewer resources. Imagine paying the piper every month in perpetuity, rather than just once, up front. I encourage everyone to stick with Sibelius 7.5 or look at alternative engraving programs. Hi Richard--very well said, and thanks so much for your support:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:47AM Hide picture > I've learnt an awful lot from your many, many replies to questions over the years. Thanks for all your help and support and enjoy your 'retirement'. We'll miss you! > > -- Thanks so much Andy--your kind words and wishes are very much appreciated:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:45AM Hide picture > Yes, thank you, Bob for your service on the forum and all the work that you have done over the past few years. > > -- > MacBook Pro, OS X 10.10.2, 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5, 16GB RAM, Sibelius 7.5.1 Thanks so much Nicholas--I appreciate your kind words very much:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:44AM Hide picture > Many, many thanks, Bob, for all your wonderful support and advice. > > Terry > > -- > Sib 6.2 NotePerformer iMac OSX Mountain Lion 4 Gig RAM Thanks so much Terry--your kind words are very much appreciated:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:43AM Hide picture > You've helped a lot of Sibelius users, Bob. Despite our differences, I certainly wish you a long and happy retirement. Thanks Laurence--very much appreciated. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:42AM Hide picture > Thanks for all the good work you have done on this forum, Bob. > > I, for one, will miss having you answer questions here. I totally understand why you would choose to do that, and why you would do it now. > > All the best for you and your music in the future. > > -- > Bob > Thanks so much Bob..very much appreciated, and again I applaud you for the stance you took with the plugins, in protest against what Avid had done with Daniel and all. They not ONLY lost the best in Daniel and all, but they lost YOU..someone who is at the very heart of Sib , whom we ALL owe a huge debt of thanks. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:39AM Hide picture > I stopped taking an active roll as soon as Daniel's team were fired (not that I was *that* active!). Daniel was on this forum almost endlessly as many of us remember, often into the small hours. I noticed then that some very good people suddenly stepped in to cover for the huge void that Daniel left. Bob Morabito not least among them (and Robin W). So my tribute here to them. It's a serious step for someone like Bob to take and I'll bet it hurts. Take note Avid. For once. > > -- > Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Very well written Peter..and thanks for your kind words..we've seen a lot together with the Save Sib stuff too:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 11:37AM Hide picture > I have noticed we have approximately 45 people on this forum who actively help people with their Sibelius or notational issues. > If all those would stop further interactions on this forum it would severely undermine Sibelius as a viable and active program in the casual persons eyes. > This might be a good action for all to take. > It can/may be difficult as a good deal derive pleasure in the passing on of knowledge to someone else. > Thanks so much for replying...and it couldnt agree more, and some are already doing it.. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Stopping Forum support activity in protest against Avid Posted by Bob Morabito - 21 Apr 12:07PM Hide picture I hope Ive personally thanked you all and didnt miss anyone..Im so sorry if i did, as your kind messages here are very much appreciated. Thanks again Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads