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Hello, folks, just getting started and loving it.

Can I make Sibelius play notes that are out of range for an instrument (shown red)? Or should I just change the range of the instrument?

Any help much appreciated.

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Robin Walker - 16 Mar 07:42PM

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If a note is so out-of-range that it is not included in the Sibelius 7 Sounds sample library, then it cannot be played. This applies regardless of the colouring system in the Sibelius notation application itself. You cannot make an out-of-range note playable just by changing the defined range of the instrument.

Perhaps, instead, you should choose instruments which are capable of playing the notes you want.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 16 Mar 08:11PM

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Of course - makes sense.

I was getting in a tangle as the instrument is an Octave Mandola which sounds an octave lower than the written note.

Many thanks, Robin, much appreciated.

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Richard Vitale - 17 Mar 01:27PM

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This has probably occurred to you, but you can use another similar string instrument which has the proper range for playback and turn the sound off at all other times.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 17 Mar 02:46PM

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Thank you, Richard, it had not occurred to me but it's a good idea.

Would you be kind enough to have a go at explaining the transposing instrument thing? I have created the instrument OK (octave mandola) but am struggling a bit with the transposition part of the edit routine.

I presume the clef is Bass down an 8ve. (When the player reads C4, it comes out as C3.)

Any help would be much appreciated.

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Stephen Wrigley - 17 Mar 04:23PM (edited 17 Mar 11:58PM)

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I'm assuming this is what's also, confusingly, referred to as an Octave Mandolin, tuned GDAE an octave below a mandolin. If so, I'd write it in treble clef, an octave higher than sounding - ie same transposition as a guitar (so you could use a guitar stave and change the name and, if you can be bothered or don't trust yourself to remember it, the range - all the notes should be there).
I'd suggest writing any plucked string instruments other than basses-and-associated in transposed treble clef, even baritone guitars, but at the end of the day I guess it depends who's reading it!

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 18 Mar 11:26AM

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Of course - so much simpler that way. Spoke to the player and he's fine with it.

Thank you so much for your time and trouble, Stephen.

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 28 Mar 10:11PM

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Still struggling with notes that won't play back. This is for a standard mandolin (not the 8ve version discussed earlier). I've set the range of the mandolin from G3 to C7 which I'm pretty sure is right but still anything over C6 does not play back.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Mandolin 2 P2.opt.sib (36K)

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Mar 10:18PM

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You cannot magically playback notes for which no samples exist in the sample library. Setting the "range" of an instrument definition has no effect on playback: it just alters the range of notes that will be coloured black rather than red (out of range).

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Robert Enns - 28 Mar 10:31PM

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Isn't the top C6?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 28 Mar 10:36PM

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Thanks for the reply Robert. No, I don't think so. C6 is 2 ledger lines above the treble stave isn't it? The mandolin range is the same as the violin - at least 1 whole octave above that.

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Robert Enns - 29 Mar 04:31AM

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Depends whether middle C is called C3 or C4.
The mandolin range I saw was the octave above two ledger lines above the staff.
But if the mandolin samples in Sib sounds don't go that high then you are out of luck because they just aren't there.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by William444 - 28 Mar 10:39PM

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OK, fair enough, so what do I have to do to make these notes play? They're not at all unusual notes are they? Surely I can play back D6?

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Mar 11:27PM

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No, there are no samples for such pitches available in the Sibelius 7 Sounds sample library.

If you wish to play back such pitches on the mandolin, then you have two choices:
1. playback using General MIDI (Basic);
2. acquire a sample library and player which include those mandolin pitches.

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Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 16 Mar 07:27PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Robin Walker, 16 Mar 07:42PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 16 Mar 08:11PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Richard Vitale, 17 Mar 01:27PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 17 Mar 02:46PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Stephen Wrigley, 17 Mar 04:23PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 18 Mar 11:26AM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 28 Mar 10:11PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Robin Walker, 28 Mar 10:18PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Robert Enns, 28 Mar 10:31PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 28 Mar 10:36PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Robert Enns, 29 Mar 04:31AM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - William444, 28 Mar 10:39PM

Re: Sib. 7.5: Out-of-range notes - Robin Walker, 28 Mar 11:27PM