Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 04:19PM (edited 27 Feb 04:21PM) Hide picture Does anyone have experience exporting graphic selections from Sibelius 7 in SVG format? When I export a graphic selection, say a four bar excerpt, for example, I get an SVG that is 8.5" by 11" every time; in other words a full page export. This result is not useable. On the export / graphics page in S7 I have the following options selected: 1. Graphics format SVG 2.PAGES - set to "graphic selection" Even with these setting I always get a full page export when selecting a four bar phrase. I'm not sure where I am going wrong in the process. If anyone has any tips please let me know. Thanks! -Warren Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Feb 04:35PM Hide picture It works here in Sibelius 7.5.1. I suppose it could be something that was fixed since your Sibelius 7.1.3, but I don't see anything in the update announcement. You ARE making a Graphics Selection, not just selecting 4 bars in the usual way? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Jesper Elén - 27 Feb 04:37PM Hide picture Yes, been like that for a long time, if you have some vector graphic application you can crop it there but really annoying. I don't think you do anything wrong. Surely a bug Jesper -- MacBook Pro, 8GB, OS 10.9.4, Sibelius 7.5.1, Wallander Intstruments Brass & Woodwind 2.37, Wallander Intstruments NotePerformer 1.3.3, EZDrummer 2.01 + Jazz EZX 1.5.1, Pianoteq Pro 5.01, Acoustic Samples The Upright Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 04:41PM Hide picture Thanks for your time Laurence, I am using ALT+G to create a graphics selection; NOT a typical copy CRTL + C command. -Warren Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 04:42PM Hide picture Thanks for your help Jesper! Are you using S7.1 or S7.5? -Warren Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Feb 04:48PM Hide picture Oh, I see what you mean. You get the required selection, but the canvas is full page. Yes, bummer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 04:53PM Hide picture I agree Laurence, total bummer. Totally useless, so close yet so far away. Do you know of a way to trim the canvas size in a vector editing program. I have been trying but haven't been successful. I'm working with Open Office Draw. Oh by the way, are you getting the same result in S7.5? There is no need for me to upgrade if its the same result I am getting now. Thanks! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Jesper Elén - 27 Feb 05:46PM Hide picture 7.5.1 -- MacBook Pro, 8GB, OS 10.9.4, Sibelius 7.5.1, Wallander Intstruments Brass & Woodwind 2.37, Wallander Intstruments NotePerformer 1.3.3, EZDrummer 2.01 + Jazz EZX 1.5.1, Pianoteq Pro 5.01, Acoustic Samples The Upright Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Jesper Elén - 27 Feb 05:47PM (edited 27 Feb 05:49PM) Hide picture -- MacBook Pro, 8GB, OS 10.9.4, Sibelius 7.5.1, Wallander Intstruments Brass & Woodwind 2.37, Wallander Intstruments NotePerformer 1.3.3, EZDrummer 2.01 + Jazz EZX 1.5.1, Pianoteq Pro 5.01, Acoustic Samples The Upright Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Robin Walker - 27 Feb 05:48PM Hide picture This situation is quite normal for vector graphics export: it is the same with EPS and PDF. One complete page gets exported, with a Bounding Box matching your Alt-G selection. The application into which you import the SVG should interpret the Bounding Box, and display the result you want. -- Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1 4GB, Windows 8.1 64-bit 16GB. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 06:02PM (edited 27 Feb 06:19PM) Hide picture Hi Robin, Thanks for your reply! Have you actully done this successfully? if so, please do tell which Graphics editor software your are using. I have tried COREL DRAW X5, (latest)inkscape, and (latest) OpenOffice DRAW; and the SVG import does not work in the way you described. Thanks for your help! -Warren Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Robin Walker - 27 Feb 07:08PM Hide picture The SVG bounding box works for me when a Sibelius SVG is imported into Adobe Illustrator, and when imported into Inkscape. LibreOffice Draw seems to ignore the Bounding Box. However, even with bounding box recognised, there is so much else wrong with the SVG import in those two applications that the result is worthless. The SVG format does not seem to be of much use when so many applications make a mess of importing it. Inkscape gets fonts wrong, Illustrator gets line widths wrong. Does anyone know of an application that can interpret SVG graphics files correctly? -- Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1 4GB, Windows 8.1 64-bit 16GB. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Warren - 27 Feb 07:15PM Hide picture I think I'm going to move on and forget about this SVG exporting from S7. It's probably not worth the trouble. It seems like a good feature but in reality not so much. Thanks for all your help! -Warren Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Robin Walker - 27 Feb 07:19PM Hide picture Try EPS or PDF instead, if your other applications can import them. -- Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1 4GB, Windows 8.1 64-bit 16GB. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Rob Tuley - 27 Feb 09:46PM (edited 27 Feb 09:51PM) Hide picture > Does anyone know of an application that can interpret SVG graphics files correctly? Try an assortment of web browsers. That was the motivation for inventing SVG - scalable vector graphics that work with HTML 5. I don't see any added value over PDF or EPS if you want to embed the images in a document with a "fixed" format tied to the page size, etc. The functionality is the same and the SVG files are likely to be bigger than the equivalent PDF or EPS. However there have been issues with some versions of Sib which (idiotically) rasterized the graphics itself and embeds the bitmap in the PDF, rather than letting the PDF renderer do the rasterizing at whatever resolution is appropriate. (I have no idea what Sib 7 does regarding this). Inkscape uses SVG as its internal file format (plus some custom tags, which is an extension allowed by the SVG standard). It can be temperamental about importing non-standard-compliant files though. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 7. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Kai Struck - 28 Feb 07:26PM Hide picture I think the latest Version of Inkscape (0.91) does a much better job importing svgs and pdfs from Sibelius than the 0.48 versions. But as mentioned and like OODraw it imports the whole page with the bounderies covered by white boxes. Nonetheless if you want to create 1-page documents with lots of graphics Inkscape is a great tool. Instead of exporting a graphics selection in Sibelius just export the whole page as pdf or svg (better text handling) and use Inkscape's clip view: place a (e.g.semitransparent) box over the wanted area select all and set clip (in the right click context menu). The cheapest and fastest software with the best pdf and svg import I know is Xara/Magix Photo&Graphic Designer or the big version Designer Pro (not so cheap). At the moment I don't know about its boundingbox handling but it also has clip view. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Kai Struck - 28 Feb 08:05PM Hide picture If you really want an svg that is cut correctly: After setting the clip in Inkscape go to file/document setting and set the page size to selection. then export the svg. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Robin Walker - 01 Mar 12:35AM Hide picture > I think the latest Version of Inkscape (0.91) does a much better job importing svgs and pdfs from Sibelius than the 0.48 versions. Thanks for drawing attention to this new Inkscape version. It does indeed seem to do a better job with SVG graphics from Sibelius. -- Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1 4GB, Windows 8.1 64-bit 16GB. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Peter McAleer - 01 Mar 08:14AM Hide picture On Mac, Affinity Designer copes with this for me. But it costs a bit (nothing like as expensive as Adobe Illustrator though). -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Peter McAleer - 01 Mar 08:18AM Hide picture https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/ It's £39.99. BTW Inkscape has always worked well for me too. -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Peter McAleer - 01 Mar 08:39AM Hide picture Beg pardon, you don't mean the image, you mean the selection box. Hmm. I'm afraid Affinity won't work either in that case. Sorry I misunderstood. -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Peter McAleer - 01 Mar 08:46AM Hide picture Whatever you select, Sibelius is actually exporting the whole page and simply masking the bits you didn't select. In Affinity at least you can unmask those bits and voila, there's the whole page of music! It has to be Sibelius that's the problem, surely; how could Affinity 'know' about the rest of the page I (apparently) didn't export? -- Peter McAleer: composer - choral director - teacher - Sibelius user Sibelius 7.1.3; Wallander NotePerformer; iMac 3.1 with internal ssd; macBook Pro; OS 10.9.5 (Mavericks) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Kai Struck - 18 Apr 11:03AM (edited 18 Apr 11:04AM) Hide picture Can somebody who is on Sibelius 7.5.1 send me some SVGs from graphic selection. I've written a converter (LibreOffice macro)that reads the SVGs from Sibelius and corrects the viewbox in the SVG. Furthermore it deletes all the unused stuff hidden behind the white masks, reducing the file size down to 1/4. So far it works great with all the 7.1.3 files I've threwn at it. Best would be a zip-file with SVGs from graphic selection as: middle, left, right, top, bottom. Take your most complicated score. Thanks! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by philj - 18 Apr 06:57PM Hide picture Kai, I've emailed you a set of 5 SVG exports from the same page of a score in Sib 7.5.1 (in a zip file). I hope they may be of use in your testing. -- Philip Jackson Sibelius 7.5.1 Windows 7 64bit 32Gb ram, 3Ghz Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Kai Struck - 18 Apr 08:02PM Hide picture Thank you!! Seems that there isn't a change between 7.1.3 and 7.5.1 regarding SVG export. I've emailed you back! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: SVG Export Posted by Kai Struck - 26 Apr 01:30AM Hide picture ok, here's my multipurpose tool which can also automatically correct the SVGs from Sibelius as described above. http://struckkai.blogspot.com/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html Back to top | All threads