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Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 28 Jan 01:21AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 28 Jan 01:45AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Philip Woodroffe, 28 Jan 01:46AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Robert Enns, 28 Jan 03:39AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 28 Jan 03:45AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Bob Morabito, 28 Jan 04:15AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 01:00AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 29 Jan 01:14AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Bob Morabito, 29 Jan 01:34AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Philip R, 29 Jan 02:05AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 29 Jan 02:22AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 02:30AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Andrew Collins, 29 Jan 03:54AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 04:02AM

Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by joelfriedman - 28 Jan 01:21AM
Hello,

I can take my answer "off list," but I am wondering if Sibelius will be moving to a subscription license plan the way Media Composer has (and, some say, PT will). I do NOT want to start speculation or a flame war etc., but as a professional mentioned this to me today, and I am exploring purchasing Sibelius for my work place, I would like to know if such a change is planned and imminent beforehand.

Thank you.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 28 Jan 01:45AM
From this it does not look immediate. Buy it and purchase the crossgrade offered by Finale also if you have the available funds.

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/avids-sam-butler-and-joe-pearson-on-sibelius-cloud-publishing/

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 28 Jan 01:46AM
i hope this never comes about however, if they do like ms office has done and leave it to your choice subscription or full product i guess it will make sibelius more affordable and may attract a new user group

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Robert Enns - 28 Jan 03:39AM
I use photoshop and indesign. Adobe is forcing subscription for next versions. That's the end of my upgrades because I can't justify the cost since I don't make enough from their use.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by joelfriedman - 28 Jan 03:45AM
Ralph, thank you. Interesting post. I've always found Scorch to be a PITA. If this is usable for those of us who self-publish it would be a godsend. If it's just for Schirmer and Boosey... not so much. And, yes, there are no guarantees in life. There's always Finale (and maybe whatever Steinberg is cooking up).

Philip and Robert - this is what I'm afraid of. If it happens, it happens, but I'm not a big fan of the subscription model unless you actually OWN your current copy and can re-up without full repurchase price. The devil is definitely in the details.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Bob Morabito - 28 Jan 04:15AM (edited 28 Jan 04:16AM)
Interesting that Avid stocked dropped close to a dollar today ($0.93), down 6.5%..is it possibly related?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 29 Jan 01:00AM
Hi All,

We'll announce any changes if/when we ever modify the licensing options. The current plans are to continue the perpetual license so you still own Sibelius outright. If we do introduce subscription, we won't force you into something you aren't comfortable with. Looking at Adobe, for example, you have to go down the subscription route.

Bob, the stock prices will fluctuate day by day and I doubt speculation about licensing options for Sibelius will influence this.

Sam

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by joelfriedman - 29 Jan 01:14AM
Thank you Sam. I know there are no guarantees in life, I do appreciate the response.

Best,
Joel

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Bob Morabito - 29 Jan 01:34AM
>Bob, the stock prices will fluctuate day by day and I doubt speculation about licensing options for Sibelius will influence this.

Hi Sam--

Thanks for replying--and yes of course the market fluctuates day by day.

However,its a pretty big hit, and NOT a normal daily fluctuation--almost a dollar!!--and today down another 35 cents or 2.6%, for a total of -$1.28 down..

or about 9% loss, since Monday's close, if Im not mistaken..

And usually you can trace these things directly to an "event", announcement, etc.

So AVID's stock dropped from $14.22 at close on Monday, Jan 26 to $12.94 close today Wed Jan 28, and Im sorry but thats a LOT more than daily fluctuations...especially since the "event" triggering it would probably be NAMM, and AVIDs announcements there which closed on the 26th--all of which figure in with the topic of this post.

So perhaps its a coincidence, but Im not so sure it is.

>If we do introduce subscription, we won't force you into something you aren't comfortable with

Good to know,Sam.

Thanks Bob




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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Philip R - 29 Jan 02:05AM
A much more reasonable explanation is that the stock tracked the trends of broader market indices over the past few days but just in a more volatile manner, since it's just one stock, of course, and not an entire index. I'm no finance expert, but I wouldn't be too concerned with it.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by joelfriedman - 29 Jan 02:22AM
Getting a bit more back on topic, Sam, do you imagine that self-published composers will be able to use Cloud Publishing at some point or will it only be a complex enterprise-type coding thing that places like Schirmer, Boosey, Pepper, etc. would be using? I can't say strongly enough how amazing it would be to be able to add scores and audio to our own websites without having to hire coders and designers the same way that Wordpress has enabled website to be owner-driven (vs reliant on a web tech or company).

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 29 Jan 02:30AM
Hi Joel,

We are definitely working on workflows to allow you to use SCP in your own site. We could even create a little Wordpress plugin to make it super simple for you.

What this space!

Sam


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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Andrew Collins - 29 Jan 03:54AM
I am curious about transposing scores/sheet music in iPad apps, like those for Musicnotes and Sheet Music Direct. How do those transpositions happen? Are they all downloaded image files, or some sort of Scorch function?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius?
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 29 Jan 04:02AM
Hi Andrew,

These apps do it locally. Those based on Avid Scorch are mini versions of Sibelius too so they can handle transposition, change instruments, playback etc.

Sam


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Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 28 Jan 01:21AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 28 Jan 01:45AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Philip Woodroffe, 28 Jan 01:46AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Robert Enns, 28 Jan 03:39AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 28 Jan 03:45AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Bob Morabito, 28 Jan 04:15AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 01:00AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 29 Jan 01:14AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Bob Morabito, 29 Jan 01:34AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Philip R, 29 Jan 02:05AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - joelfriedman, 29 Jan 02:22AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 02:30AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Andrew Collins, 29 Jan 03:54AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: subscription model for Sibelius? - Sam at Sibelius, 29 Jan 04:02AM