'Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score'

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Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivale... - abr88, 23 Oct 05:07PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Laurence Payne, 23 Oct 05:36PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Bob Morabito, 23 Oct 06:46PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Adrian Drover, 23 Oct 07:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Bob Morabito, 23 Oct 07:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Laurence Payne, 23 Oct 08:08PM

Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by abr88 - 23 Oct 05:07PM
When I write music out and want the "swing thing" I usually write at the top this time-honored message: open parens, pair of eighth notes, equals sign, quarter note + eighth note triplet, close parens.

I know I can put that on the top of the score (where tempo goes) as text, but it doesn't actually "enforce" it in playback (for that a "swing" "rhythmic feel" has to be specified).

Seems there should be (and I'm hoping there is) a way to plop a prefabricated instruction to that effect at the top, producing the desired result both visibly and playback-wise.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 23 Oct 05:36PM (edited 23 Oct 05:37PM)
Yup. And, believe it or not, it's the word "Swing" in Tempo Text. Both Sibelius and live players understand it perfectly. Save Metric Modulations for where there IS a Metric Modulation - a non-obvious transfer of pulse between one section of music to the next.

"Swing", by the way, IS the time-honoured message. Metric Modulations were (probably) invented by Elliott Carter around 1950. Swing had been going long before that!

I suppose it's only fair to tell you that Metric Modulation text CAN have a playback effect, if the string you use is defined in the Playback Directory. See attached. (I think it was the same back in Sibelius 7.1.3?)
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by Bob Morabito - 23 Oct 06:46PM
Click where you want it to go, and choose Text Tab>Styles>Metric Modulations--and from the contextual menu that appears when you Control-Click (On a Mac), on the blinking insertion point, simply choose what you want.

Pls see attachment.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by Adrian Drover - 23 Oct 07:06PM (edited 23 Oct 07:18PM)
Posted by Laurence Payne
I suppose it's only fair to tell you that Metric Modulation text CAN have a playback effect, if the string you use is defined in the Playback Directory. See attached. (I think it was the same back in Sibelius 7.1.3?)
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Nope, no metric mod text in 7.1.3 playback dictionary, but "Swing" is, and that's all a player needs to see.

PS. I beg your pardon. Is "qs i=qapa asq" some kind of metric modulation? Doesn't seem to translate into music text.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by Bob Morabito - 23 Oct 07:29PM

> PS. I beg your pardon. Is "qs i=qapa asq" some kind of metric modulation? Doesn't seem to translate into music text.


Pl see

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/norfolk-suite-updated/

Using Opus metronome text it translates to 2 16ths=an eight and sixteenth triplet.

Pls see attachment

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivalence at top of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 23 Oct 08:08PM
> PS. I beg your pardon. Is "qs i=qapa asq" some kind of metric modulation? Doesn't seem to translate into music text.

Yup. That's how we had to struggle with Metronome Mark Text, and I don't think it was even ever properly documented.

The current Sibelius version makes it a little more friendly.
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Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equivale... - abr88, 23 Oct 05:07PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Laurence Payne, 23 Oct 05:36PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Bob Morabito, 23 Oct 06:46PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Adrian Drover, 23 Oct 07:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Bob Morabito, 23 Oct 07:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Posting the swing notation equi... - Laurence Payne, 23 Oct 08:08PM