Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 02:30PM Hide picture Really annoying crash just now, and lost quite a bit of work. It may be a coincidence, but a couple of mail messages arrived just before the screen froze. I didn't open them, but was wondering if mail (in my case Thunderbird) can cause a crash. Would it be best to turn off mail (and other programs) when working on a Sibelius project? I tried to find my work via time machine, but it doesn't seem possible to access Sibelius by this means. (I thought my auto save was programmed to save every 5 or 10 minutes, but apparently I'm wrong about this!) -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 03:22PM Hide picture Further to the above, I've just checked Preferences, and it says my Autosave is set to do a save every 10 minutes. I have searched in vain, however, for anything called 'Autosave' in my Documents/Scores. The only thing I can find is 'backup scores' - but there's no very recent save of the score I was working on. What can have happened to my Autosave function?! -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Oct 03:51PM (edited 17 Oct 03:53PM) Hide picture There are several long answers to this. But only one, short, useful one. And it goes like this: "In any program that saves a data file, it is YOUR job to frequently press Ctrl-S (or the Mac equivalent)." We feel your pain. But - don't argue. Don't worry about what SHOULD happen automatically. Just do it. Sorry. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Robin Walker - 17 Oct 04:00PM Hide picture 1. AutoSaves are not kept in Documents or any folder under Documents. 2. AutoSaves are all automatically deleted when Sibelius exits normally. 3. AutoSaves are not kept for the user to find or use: they are automatically discovered by Sibelius: if Sibelius does not automatically discover any AutoSaves, then there are simply none to be found, even by manual searching. -- Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 04:07PM Hide picture Well, thanks for putting me right, Laurence, but I'd still like to know where my autosave file might have disappeared to.. (Aren't computers supposed to save you having to remember things like this?) -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 04:25PM Hide picture Laurence Payne wrote: >"In any program that saves a data file, it is YOUR job to frequently press Ctrl-S As has been pointed out before this is VERY bad advice-- you should be doing Save As, with a (slightly) different name each time, NOT Saving and rewriting over and over the same file. Just Saving it, overwrites the file youve previously saved with the same name-- so if it was previously saved and was a good file, and if the one youre now saving, has problems, it will wipe out the good one, and your screwed. But had you 'Saved as' with a different name, you can just go back to that previously saved file. So DONT just Save..Save AS..and FREQUENTLY, to different places, etc..NOT all on your computer:) Use Separate Hard drives, Flash drives, Online, ete etc Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 04:30PM Hide picture Ah, thanks, Robin. I will search no longer! Actually, now I come to think of it, I did get a message when I rebooted, saying that some files had been autosaved, but when I opened them they clearly hadn't been saved 10 minutes previously - more like an hour or so at least. Yet my prefs. say that my autosave is set to 10 minutes! -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 04:56PM Hide picture Interesting, Bob - a somewhat bizarre procedure, though, I'd have thought. I already have far too many Sibelius files for each piece I've worked on, and I'm not very good at coming up with names that will immediately tell me which version I'm looking for of something I did a year or two ago. I'd have thought all these 'save as's would only add to the confusion. I wonder what the official line is: can someone from Sibelius arbitrate on this? (I respect both pieces of advice - but they are in conflict with each other!) -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by David - 17 Oct 05:04PM Hide picture When I have a large amount of work done, instead of "Save as" I just email it to myself and don't open the email. Either that or I use a Dropbox etc. This way, it's available if my entire system would crash, power loss etc. I've has a few crashes with Sibelius over the years, one that was big enough to let me know the importance of backup. -- 7.13, Windows 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Oct 05:27PM Hide picture > Interesting, Bob - a somewhat bizarre procedure, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, whether you choose Bob's method or the usual one - SAVE it. Often. If we're thinking military-grade (it always amuses me that we name ultimate reliability after an institution notorious for cocking things up :-) I suppose we should be insisting on saving to three different RAID systems, at leat one located in a different post-code... Seriously, I encounter very few corrupt Sibelius files, and those few always seems to be caused by failing to properly dismount removable media - notoriously USB memory sticks. Programs, drivers and computers crash rather more often - usually just BEFORE I remember to hit CTRL-S. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 05:59PM (edited 17 Oct 06:03PM) Hide picture > Interesting, Bob - a somewhat bizarre procedure, though, I'd have thought. I already have far too many Sibelius files for each piece I've worked on, and I'm not very good at coming up with names that will immediately tell me which version I'm looking for of something I did a year or two ago. > Bizarre? Not bizarre at all Gordon..its EXACTLY how its done, even with Sibelius when it backs up your files, in the Backup Scores folder--its the procedure used. Its simply smart computing-- and its very simple--heres two examples my piece.sib my piece1.sib my piece2.sib etc ----- my piece.sib my piece a.sib my piece b.sib --- so if your working on my piece.sib and youve just been saving it and writing over and over it, and it goes bad, your SOL...you have NOTHING. However, if you've been doing Save As, with different names then just mypiece.sib is gone..but you can still go and try mypiece1.sib or mypiece2.sib and use them, and only possible lose a little work, since the last save--NOT the entire piece,and have nothing. >I'd have thought all these 'save as's would only add to the confusion. Nope, not at all--again this is simple good computing technique-- you'll find they'll save your butt one day when the version youre working on goes bad, and youve been doing SAVE AS, and can go to the next closest version instead of having just been saving it, and rewriting over it, and losing EVERYTHING. > I wonder what the official line is: can someone from Sibelius arbitrate on this? (I respect both pieces of advice - but they are in conflict with each other!) Ill let how Sibelius saves files in your Backup folder speak for itself..take a look there, and they follow the Save as procedure! I think that speaks volumes, that you should "Save As" good computing technique! Thanks Bob > > -- > www.newcarols.com > Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 06:08PM Hide picture >Well, whether you choose Bob's method or the usual one - SAVE it. Often. I agree that it should be saved often, however using the Save AS procedure..AND in different places, as I pointed out before. And to say that just Saving and rewriting over and over a file, instead of providing yourself backup dong Save as is the "usual one" is VERY suspect in my humble opinion.. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Oct 06:21PM Hide picture > so if your working on my piece.sib and youve just been saving it and writing over and over it, and it goes bad, your SOL...you have NOTHING. No. You have the backup scores that Sibelius saved, in its Backup Scores folder, every time you pressed Ctrl-S. Try. I just did. I created TEST.sib, entered a few notes, saved it. A few more notes, Ctrl-S. And again... In my Scores folder, the latest save of TEST.sib, timed at 19.12. But look what's in Backup Scores! (attached) It's BECAUSE Sibelius does it this way that we don't have to. Just hit Ctrl-S. Attachment Capture.JPG.jpg (27K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 06:43PM Hide picture Because Sib does this NOT all programs do..and all along I was responding to YOUR statement above: ""In any program that saves a data file, it is YOUR job to frequently press Ctrl-S (or the Mac equivalent)." and IIRC on more than one occasion you yourself pointed out problems and shortcomings with Sibs backup system, calling it "unreliable".... I stand by using "Save as" with ANY program, including Sib. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Oct 06:46PM Hide picture I think what you MEANT to say, Bob, was "sorry, you're right!" Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 06:58PM Hide picture >I think what you MEANT to say, Bob, was "sorry, you're right!" Huh? Is this one of your off days?..OH NO!!!!;) And NOT all all Laurence..not even in YOUR world:) And Im more than capable to say what I need to say--thanks. This kind of thing can cause problems, and has in the past..Id have thought you learned by now!! Soo along with stopping telling people to just save, you might stop THIS too--its not cool, or necessary ;) Thanks!! Its simply very poor computer technique with ANY program--which is what you said-- to just keep saving soemthing..if its something you worked a year on, and it has NO backup and goes south, youve lost a year of work. With Save as you lose ONLY as long as your last Save as..a few minutes, if your doing it correctly. And oh yeah, Laurnece--heres quick proof of what I said--theres more. too:) http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=477654&groupid=3&words=problems%20backup&name=Payne#477808 "Re: Sib. 5.x: Autosave problem Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Jan 03:45PM On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:08:27, "Wim Kloppenburg" wrote: >Thank you for your reaction, Daniel, I will audit my audio drivers. But I still >don't understand why the autosave function doesn't work properly. Working on a >score I checked the autosave folder several times. Mostly there is no backup file >in it, sometimes a backup is made, but only once, not regularly every ten minutes. My advice above wasn't intended flippantly or as a put-down. Autosave is unreliable Do your own with the CTRL-S reflex." That should do..and again, dont speak for me..Im very capable, and MUCH better at speaking for myself, than you'll ever be;) Thats should end this. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Mike Lyons - 17 Oct 07:03PM Hide picture Now, now, ladies - no handbags! -- 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, Win 7 Pro (x64), 8GB, 7TB HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5 EWQLSO Plat, Miroslav Phil, NotePerformer, Harmony Asst, EWQLSC, GPO, COMB2 Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 07:06PM Hide picture Oh no..too late..:):) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Mike Lyons - 17 Oct 07:12PM Hide picture Oh, and while we're on it, the OP's title was "Why did it crash?" My answer to this is "Because it can!" Does the Mac version of Sibelius do things differently with regard to saving? Mine saves backup scores in a folder called "Scores\backup scores". The actual location of this folder is customisable in preferences. I currently have mine on one of my external hard drives. I don't always remember to press either [ctrl]s or [ctrl][shift]s, but I still find filenames like those Bob M listed piling up in that folder. You can also limit how many of these files Sibelius creates before it starts over-writing them. I save making copies until after I have finished a session and THEN I make copies on a different external drive in a different room of the house. Once a month I back up my important files onto DVD or blu-ray disc. That seems to be sufficient protection for me. Most of my stuff has other copies elsewhere (score exchange, for example) so I'm not too worried. Backup should be for your safety, not you inconvenience. (*Runs to get coat*) -- 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, Win 7 Pro (x64), 8GB, 7TB HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5 EWQLSO Plat, Miroslav Phil, NotePerformer, Harmony Asst, EWQLSC, GPO, COMB2 Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 17 Oct 07:23PM Hide picture >I save making copies until after I have finished a session and THEN I make copies on a different external drive in a different room of the house. The problem with this Mike is that theres always that slight chance the computer will crap out before the end of your session..you know, Murphy's law!! Ive heard of it happening..so I always also back up off computer while working and doing a Save as, every few minutes. For me, better to be safe than sorry..YMMV:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 17 Oct 08:12PM Hide picture I only asked, chaps! (I didn't intend to start a feud!) -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Porter - 17 Oct 08:55PM Hide picture Jeez, Gordon, what a trouble maker. Anything is possible, but I'd be surprised if incoming email crashed Sibelius. Though plenty of things do crash it. There are people that like to close everything when working in major software. But even so, there are any number of things running in the background. I use both "save" and "save as", because that's what fits my workflow. -- Bob Porter Sibelius 7.5.1,W8.1,C2Quad OC'ed to 3.4 Ghz,8 GB slower ram than I'd like, 250GB SSD. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Mike Lyons - 18 Oct 07:02AM Hide picture It may not be the email itself, but my email client 'bings' when I get mail. If it accessing the soundcard, that could cause an issue. -- 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, Win 7 Pro (x64), 8GB, 7TB HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5 EWQLSO Plat, Miroslav Phil, NotePerformer, Harmony Asst, EWQLSC, GPO, COMB2 Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by André van Haren - 18 Oct 07:23AM Hide picture Sibelius 7.5 is crashing about 4 till 5 times while I work on my scores. It's very unstable. It seems mostly to crash when I have more scores open at the same time and switch between them often. That is why I save very often. I hope an update will fix this. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Oct 10:01AM Hide picture It may be an update to your computer that fixes this, rather than one to Sibelius. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Oct 10:43AM Hide picture "Autosave is unreliable Do your own with the CTRL-S reflex." Goodness, a post from me headed "Sib. 5.x: Autosave problem"! How long ago must that have been? But I'll stand by it. Because Auto-save and Backup Scores are not the same thing. Sibelius' function to auto-save at fixed intervals and offer the result when re-starting after a crash seems flakey. But when you press Ctrl-S, as well as the Save you asked for an incrementally-numbered copy appears in Backup Scores. Was that function unreliable in earlier versions? Maybe. But it seems fine now. Even better, the Backup Scores folder can be on a different, user specified, drive to the main Scores folder. (See attached screen shot.) If you constantly rename the file with a Save As, does the Backup Scores function ever kick in? Seems like you'd just get the equivalent of a Backup Scores set but all in the same folder. So if that folder goes bad... Attachment Capture.JPG.jpg (100K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 11:47AM (edited 18 Oct 12:02PM) Hide picture > "Autosave is unreliable Do your own with the CTRL-S reflex." > > Goodness, a post from me headed "Sib. 5.x: Autosave problem"! How long ago must that have been? > Oh there were more recent ones also..at least as recent as May! I believe in that one you used the words "notoriously unreliable":) > But I'll stand by it. Because Auto-save and Backup Scores are not the same thing. > Yes, of course--this is known, and a moot point. >Sibelius' function to auto-save at fixed intervals and offer the result when re-starting after a crash seems flakey. But when you press Ctrl-S, as well as the Save you asked for an incrementally-numbered copy appears in Backup Scores. Was that function unreliable in earlier versions? Maybe. But it seems fine now. > "Seems fine now" and "seems flakey" are NOT ringing endorsements, and not something I want to risk it all on, since you keep overwriting the file itself just using Save. And you had mentioned ANY program, and as I tried to point out, using Save As, is a special backup system in itself, which Ssve isnt..should one file go bad with Save as, you only lose work up until your last Save as. However, with just using Save, you lose EVERYTHING. And even with Sibs Backup Scores folder, and Autosave--both of which have seen reported problems in this forum, and both of which you dont write about too glowing above, either, LOL:))-- even if theyre BOTH working fine, and youre just using Save, if that file youre saving, and rewriting over turns out to be messed up--and subsequently wont open when you try it in Sib-- Sib is backing up and Autosaving a messed up file, and your ONLY original, being you just use Save is messed up too. what do you do then? (besides invent NEW curses..:) Well you can check back in the backup Scores folder, and HOPE (and pray!!) you might find one before it got messed up.. However with Save as, you go back to he last Saved as version, and see if thats ok, etc..you have a way to get your work back. Its simply a no brainer to me. > Even better, the Backup Scores folder can be on a different, user specified, drive to the main Scores folder. (See attached screen shot.) Yes using a different drive, medium, location etc arealways good strategies. > If you constantly rename the file with a Save As, does the Backup Scores function ever kick in? Seems like you'd just get the equivalent of a Backup Scores set but all in the same folder. So if that folder goes bad... > Again its NOT a drastic change of name, which youre making it out to be..its usually the addition of a. b, c, etc. or 1, 2, 3 etc. And why wouldnt the Backup scores folder work with this? It works just the same as with Save. And now you say an ENTIRE folder going bad? OH MY!! Well with multiple backups in different places youd just check there..simple:) OF course anyone should use whatever feels best to them..but for my money, Id rather have a chance to recover my work, than lose it all on an overwritten file gone bad. YMMV:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Oct 12:14PM Hide picture Nice wriggle, Bob :-) Everyone else, don't forget to keep pressing Ctrl-S. It's 99% as good as the more complicated system, and a million percent better than not pressing ANYTHING. Also, when did everyone last run a full system backup? We can argue over methods, but are you doing it at all? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 18 Oct 12:31PM Hide picture I somehow don't think you two gentlemen will ever see eye to eye on this. (Little did I realise what I was unleashing in posting my little query!) Anyway, I will say that what I'm really missing is the 'save as' option on my word processing program (I use 'Pages' to create title pages, etc,). I have several times got into a muddle because I've tried to duplicate a title page and then overwrite it with new data, and then sometimes the original or the new one will vanish without trace. (I have to admit that my computer is getting rather old, and rather full up, so maybe this is causing some of my problems!) -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 12:33PM Hide picture NO wriggle at all, Laurence..just the facts:) >Everyone else, don't forget to keep pressing Ctrl-S. It's 99% as good as the more complicated system, and a million percent better than not pressing ANYTHING. > Well that "99% as good" figure is VERY MUCH debatable, but at least that admits you feel Save as is better..thanks!! Risking it all, to me, just using Save, simply seems unwise, and the thought of TOTALLY losing days, weeks, months or more of work, makes me ill.. And adding an a b or c etc, or 1, 2 or 3 to a filename with Save as etc could hardly be called "more complicated". Laurence :) Its worth the slight extra effort to protect ones work. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 01:04PM Hide picture >Anyway, I will say that what I'm really missing is the 'save as' option on my word processing program (I use 'Pages' to create title pages, etc,). I have several times got into a muddle because I've tried to duplicate a title page and then overwrite it with new data, and then sometimes the original or the new one will vanish without trace. (I have to admit that my computer is getting rather old, and rather full up, so maybe this is causing some of my problems!) > This shows the value of having--and USING-- Save as:) Regarding Pages I have version 5.2.2 and if I go to the Help Menu and enter "Save as" into the search box, it magically appears on the menu, with a big blue arrow pointing to it:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Oct 01:09PM (edited 18 Oct 01:10PM) Hide picture > >Everyone else, don't forget to keep pressing Ctrl-S. It's 99% as good as the more complicated system, and a million percent better than not pressing ANYTHING. > > > > Well that "99% as good" figure is VERY MUCH debatable, but at least that admits you feel Save as is better..thanks!! > > Risking it all, to me, just using Save, simply seems unwise, and the thought of TOTALLY losing days, weeks, months or more of work, makes me ill.. > I was just being polite with the 99% :-) In practice, I suspect muddles with manual renaming will cause many more problems than just pressing Ctrl-S. Which should, in any program, be very frequent. Wild exaggerations about "TOTALLY losing days, weeks, months or more of work" aren't helpful. A copy to the same drive, on the same computer may be an audit trail, but it's no backup. So we all do something better, don't we? Maybe this could be taken as a reminder to do it a little more often... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 01:19PM (edited 18 Oct 01:21PM) Hide picture >I was just being polite with the 99% :-) In practice, I suspect muddles with manual renaming will cause many more problems than just pressing Ctrl-S. Which should, in any program, be very frequent. Huh? Im lost... What "muddles" are you talking about??? Ive NEVER had any problems or heard of anyone having problems using Save as, so Im lost as to what youre referring to.. >Wild exaggerations about "TOTALLY losing days, weeks, months or more of work" aren't helpful. Nice try--but I remind you Laurence, they ARENT wild exaggerations..ending up with only ONE copy of a file, thats gone bad, loses ALL that work.. So again Im lost as to what youre referring to..its a simple fact, and ANYONE--and there are many--who have lost files will attest to it. This has all been covered before.. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Oct 01:26PM (edited 18 Oct 01:29PM) Hide picture It's a good idea to read the whole post before taking it apart line by line! Save often. Do system backups. You know, basic computer stuff. That's all that really needed saying at the top of this thread. Oh, hold on, I did! :-) Enough. Have a last word if you like, Bob. Or a last 1000 words :-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 01:31PM (edited 18 Oct 01:56PM) Hide picture >Enough. Have a last word if you like, Bob. Or, knowing you, a last 1000 words :-) (funny seems you edited that now, Laurence) Laurence-- Enough?? I responded to your posts. Thank you. And once again, comments like this just make trouble. as they have in the past, and are unnecessary, and not appreciated..even hidden under your usual ";)". Please refrain from using them--with me, anyone, and everyone. It will stop a lot of problems, and even possibly shorten posts here! Thanks, and have a good day..Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 01:43PM Hide picture PS If anything more needs to be said Laurence, Id appreciate you contacting me off forum. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Gordon Thornett - 18 Oct 01:50PM Hide picture As a postscript, and to preserve everyone's honour, can I just say that I'm so glad this message board still exists, and provides almost instantaneous help to those of us who struggle with technical problems! I haven't been a frequent visitor since the days of Daniel and his team, but it is very reassuring to know that fellow users are still prepared to share their expertise and experience at the drop of a hat. So thank you, Bob and Laurence - I have received valuable help and advice from both of you on a number of occasions. Shall we all shake hands on it? -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.5: Why did it crash? Posted by Bob Morabito - 18 Oct 01:55PM Hide picture You're welcome for my part, Gordon--and you're right, I couldnt agree more..this really is a good forum--I learn from it ALL the time myself:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads