Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 03:07AM Hide picture Hi All, Although I looked under "choral" and "choir", I am not able to find a breath mark or comma, even though I looked under SYMBOLS. Also, how do I print them into the music when I find them? Thank you. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Bob Morabito - 12 Oct 06:21AM (edited 12 Oct 06:22AM) Hide picture NI Mimi Pls see p 342 Sib 713 pdf ref manual, and attachment. Notations tab > Symbols > Symbol gallery> Articulations "Notable symbols The Notations > Symbols > Symbol gallery is grouped according to categories, and each symbol shows its name. Some of the less obvious symbols are as follows: Articulations: ...Comma and tick, indicating a breath, usually in choral music (the comma also indicates a short silence on instruments like the piano, which can’t literally breathe); cesuras in two different thicknesses" Also please see the plugin "Insert One Symbol" category Other, and attachment: File Tab>Plugins>Install Plugins> Show All Plugins>Other>Insert One symbol Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Attachments Screen Shot 2014-10-12 at 2.05.25 AM.png (792K), Screen Shot 2014-10-12 at 2.18.16 AM.png (600K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Bob Morabito - 12 Oct 06:32AM (edited 12 Oct 07:13AM) Hide picture PS As an aside there was a problem in Sib 7.5 with commas (ticks and caesuras), which now had playback capabilities, shortening notes which I believe is now fixed in Sib 7.5.1 http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=650064&groupid=3&&guest=1#650158 Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Roy Moore - 12 Oct 09:25AM Hide picture If you add the comma from Z (symbols) then (with it still selected) in the Inspector check 'Breath Mark' I think this solves the playback problems which Bob mentions. -- Roy Moore London UK (2014) Sib 7.5.1,Windows 7 SP 1 pro x64 8gb ram,2x quad core 2.5ghz , 512gb SSD Audiophile 2496 Laptop Win 8.1 - 32gb ram 512 ssd 750 hd EW Goliath, EWQLSO platinum, Hollywood Strings Gold, QL Solo Violin, Note Performer Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 04:20PM Hide picture Thanks Roy, I'll check the inspector, or better yet, am awaiting my upgrade software to 7.5. I found the comma, but don't know how to move it over to the stave. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 04:29PM Hide picture Hi Roy, I don't know how to move the "breath mark" (comma) to the Inspector, but thanks just the same. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 11:05PM Hide picture Hi Roy I finally got it to work, as Mike Lyons sent a very easy set of instructions, and thanks for your efforts. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 04:18PM Hide picture I think I'd best wait until I get the new Sib. 7.5, update it to 7.5.1; I found the breath mark (comma) but don't know how to attach it to the stave itself. Thanks. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Oct 04:33PM Hide picture Find it in the Symbols gallery. Click on it. The gallery will close, leaving you looking at your score. Click where you want the breath mark to go. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 04:40PM Hide picture Hi Laurence, I could not get it to work; maybe I'd best wait until I get the upgrade to 7.5. Thanks just the same (this is very frustrating for me). Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Adrian Drover - 12 Oct 04:47PM Hide picture Heck Mimi, select the position in the score where you want it to go, find it in zymbols and double-klik on it. It will be waiting for you to adjust its position when you get back to the score. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 05:04PM Hide picture Thanks Adrian, That part of it worked, but the symbol I need is NOT in the articulation area, and that is the trouble I'm having because I don't know how to ADD the symbols. I'll just wait for the new update of Sib. 7.5. Thanks Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 11:06PM Hide picture Hi Adrian, I finally got it to work, as Mike Lyons sent a very easy set of instructions, and thanks for your efforts. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 11:06PM Hide picture Hi Laurence, I finally got it to work, as Mike Lyons sent a very easy set of instructions, and thanks for your efforts. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mike Lyons - 12 Oct 04:42PM Hide picture Select a note, press z, choose comma, press OK. Move comma to correct position. If you want it to appear on all staves, choose more options after pressing z (at the bottom) and set it to system. Also, tick 'draw on all staves'. -- 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, Win 7 Pro (x64), 8GB, 7TB HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5 EWQLSO Plat, Miroslav Phil, NotePerformer, Harmony Asst, EWQLSC, GPO, COMB2 Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 04:53PM Hide picture Hi Mike, Your idea worked, but I'm having a problem moving the comma into the articulation area. I'll send a screen shot later. Thanks. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Oct 06:27PM (edited 12 Oct 06:27PM) Hide picture It doesn't matter what area of the gallery it's in. Wherever you find it, use it. After using it once, it will put a copy of itself in the Recently Used area at the top anyway. One (the only?) nice thing about Galleries. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Adrian Drover - 12 Oct 09:57PM Hide picture I don't know how anyone can find anything in galleries. Much easier to go directly to the 'More options' dialog. Dialogs can be given shortcuts too in Preferences/Keybd-shortcuts/Notations-tab. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Adrian Drover - 12 Oct 09:59PM (edited 12 Oct 10:00PM) Hide picture Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Oct 10:39PM Hide picture In Word, when you mouse-over a Gallery, you get a preview if what the selection would look like in that style. As with so much in Sibelius 7's interface, I wish the crew at Finsbury Park had been allowed the time and resources to finish the job. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 10:53PM Hide picture Laurence said, " As with so much in Sibelius 7's interface, I wish the crew at Finsbury Park had been allowed the time and resources to finish the job." Mimi replied with: "YOU AND ME BOTH!!" Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 11:05PM Hide picture Thanks Bob, I finally got it to work, as Mike Lyons sent a very easy set of instructions, and thanks for your efforts. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Bob Morabito - 13 Oct 12:01AM Hide picture You're welcome, Mimi--glad its solved:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Bob Morabito - 13 Oct 02:10AM Hide picture Mimi wrote: "(this is very frustrating for me)." Also: "Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 12 Oct 10:53PM Laurence said, " As with so much in Sibelius 7's interface, I wish the crew at Finsbury Park had been allowed the time and resources to finish the job." Mimi replied with: "YOU AND ME BOTH!!" -- Whether or not the Sib 7 interface is actually unfinished or not in some or many ways is debatable--however, in all honesty and kindness, its NOT the problem here. With all respect, and caring, viewing and responding to the posts here and on the Yahoo forum, (and private emails) shows a much deeper basic understanding of Sibelius is needed-- and its NOT easy, and oh yeah it can be frustrating, for ALL of us to learn this..BIG TIME:) Here is some info on Sibelius training, for starters: Sibelius Training Courses http://www.sibelius.com/training/index.html and between these and the supplied Tutorials, at: http://hub.sibelius.com/download/documentation/pdfs/sibelius713-tutorials-en.pdf Plus stuff in this search: https://www.google.com/search?q=Learn+Sibleius+7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb there should be enough to really help with these basics, and hopefully get rid of at least some of that frustration. If any more materials are need, please let me know, and hopefully any one else with suggestions on this, please kindly post them. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 13 Oct 03:49AM Hide picture Thanks Bob, It isn't easy to learn, especially since I'm working on my own with this and the instructions are not always complete. Also, I hadn't used Sibelius in a very long time, but I'm sticking with it this time. Thanks again. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Bob Morabito - 13 Oct 05:40AM Hide picture Good Mimi--stick with it:) And you're welcome--I know it isnt easy--Im still learning it myself! Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mike Lyons - 13 Oct 06:07AM Hide picture And you will always find people on here willing to help. -- 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, Win 7 Pro (x64), 8GB, 7TB HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5 EWQLSO Plat, Miroslav Phil, NotePerformer, Harmony Asst, EWQLSC, GPO, COMB2 Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 14 Oct 03:49AM Hide picture Hi Mike, People have been very helpful in the Forum. Thanks again. Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Breath Marks Posted by Mimi Mansky - 14 Oct 03:47AM Hide picture Hi Bob I intend to stick with it. There is a lot to learn on this software as it is so highly technical. Hopefully, future updates will make Sibelius easier to learn. Thanks, Mimi -- Windows 7,GB8, Sibelius 7.1.3 Back to top | All threads