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Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with "... - MadMusicologist, 08 Oct 04:56PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 15 Oct 02:34PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 21 Oct 07:32PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 21 Oct 07:58PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 22 Oct 03:08AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 22 Oct 06:58PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 28 Oct 09:33PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 28 Oct 09:48PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 29 Oct 08:58PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 29 Oct 09:56PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 01 Nov 04:57AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 01 Nov 05:54PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 04:22AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 02 Nov 10:05AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 01:28PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 02 Nov 02:44PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 05:39PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 03 Nov 05:33PM

Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with "Scala"
Posted by MadMusicologist - 08 Oct 04:56PM (edited 10 Oct 04:44PM)
Hi.
In the reference book, concerning a VST instrument to play samples (.sf2-files), we are referred to a link at Cakewalk to get the free player: http://www.cakewalk.com/Download/sfz.aspx). Clicking on that link will show us, that this Cakewalk offer does not exist any more. Searching for the VST Instrument there returns the result

http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SFZ.

The player seems much enhanced comparing to the version we know of previous Sonar versions. It is still free, it seems.
NOW MY QUESTION, please:
How can I let Sibelius 7.5. recognize that VST player?
In the reference book it says, the VST dll must be placed in \program files\Avid\... But I do not see that folder in C:\. I have got "Program Data" and "Programs", and "Programs x86", but also there I do not get to any folder for "Avid" nor sibelius to acc that VST-plugin.

I am happy to see that Sibelius accepts quartertones. My great wish would be that the Sibelius Player accepts microtonal tunings created by "Scala".
Please see:
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html
With that program it is not only possible to refer to a bundle of over 4,000. tunings, you can, with a little instruction, create one of your own.
But it is hard to transfer the retuned files to Sibelius.
Instruments like Modartt's Pianoteq accept those tunings automatically, if you select the desired tuning in a special menu.
Great wish, I admit.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 15 Oct 02:34PM
Post to the Sibelius Ideascale where this will get more traction than just posting here.

http://sibelius.ideascale.com/


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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 21 Oct 07:32PM
Thanks, but my question is still open, please:
How can I let Sibelius 7.5. recognize that VST player?
In the reference book it says, the VST dll must be placed in \program files\Avid\... But I do not see that folder in C:\. I have got "Program Data" and "Programs", and "Programs x86", but also there I do not get to any folder for "Avid" nor sibelius to add that VST-plugin.
Please date me up.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Oct 07:58PM
It appears that you might be using a non-English version of Windows.

If so, instead of:
C:\Program Files\Avid\VSTPlugins\
you need to use:
C:\Programs\Avid\VSTPlugins\
and so on.

But, sfz is probably a old 32-bit VST, so it will not work with 64-bit Sibelius anyway.

If you use 32-bit Sibelius, then you need to place the sfz VST inside:
C:\Programs x86\Avid\VSTPlugins\

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 22 Oct 03:08AM
Thanks, Robin,
I'll check tonight. I am not sure right now if that plug in is really only 32bit, I should be able to find out, shouldn't I?
And yes, my Win 7 is in German.
I posted that "Scala Tuning" to "Ideascale" yesterday evening: I find it so ingenious that with Modartt's Pianoteq, I just select the mixrotuning I wish, and I do not even have to "retune the MIDI file" via "Scala" tuning software: The selected tuning is being played "live", so I even can connect a MIDI Keyboard to my system, play on it and find my chords.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 22 Oct 06:58PM
Apparently I cannot find out if SFZ is 64 bit or 32 bit: There is only the DLL I have to copy, and I do not see any information on 64 or 32 bit.
And: When I go to "Programs"\AVID\ I do not see any folder called VSTplugins, be it in the folder "programs", or in the folder "Programs x86". No trace. What went wrong, please?
For quite some pieces I NEED a working .sf2 player, because I got some samples of exotic instruments I cannot apply otherwise.
Or could you recommend any other fine .sf2 player, please?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 28 Oct 09:33PM
My last question (dated Oct. 22nd 2014) is still not answered. Please can someone date me up. Help urgently needed.
Thankx.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Oct 09:48PM
I will assume that sfz, being an old application, is 32-bit. Therefore, you will not be able to use it with 64-bit Sibelius.

Please launch the 32-bit version of Sibelius, go to the Play tab, click:
Setup (dialogue launcher) -> Playback Devices -> click button "Audio Engine Options" -> click button "Folders"

From the window that opens, copy the contents of the text box into a follow-up post. Or, take a screen-shot of the window, and attach that.

Then we shall see where the VST folder is on a German Windows.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 29 Oct 08:58PM
Does this mean I have to install Sibelius anew as 32-bit version to make things work?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Robin Walker - 29 Oct 09:56PM
No, you already have both 64-bit and 32-bit Sibelius installed. Just launch the 32-bit version.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 01 Nov 04:57AM (edited 01 Nov 04:57AM)
I'll check. Thanks. It seems, by default, I launch the 64bit version, since when I see the available instruments in the player menu, the sfz remains gray.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 01 Nov 05:54PM
MadMusicologist, do let us know if that worked. Some of us are interested.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 02 Nov 04:22AM
I am still trying to find out how to launch the 32bit version. Well. I found in the folder "Programme (x86)"\Avid\Sibelius 7.5 the ".exe" and linked that by right click to my task bar. However, clicking on this icon resulted in an error message "Sibelius 7.5 does not work anymore and had bo be closed. You will be notified when a solution is available." (I was translating that message from German to English by myself. The original text might be different, but I hope you get it anyway.)
Apparently this is not the workaround Sib 7.5 expects in case I want the 32-bit version to be launched.
Thank you for your interest and your help.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Robin Walker - 02 Nov 10:05AM
As with everything Windows, you launch applications from the Start menu:

Start -> All Programs -> Avid -> Sibelius 7.5 -> Sibelius 7.5 (32 bit) -> Sibelius.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 02 Nov 01:28PM
Thanks, problem is the same. I see the initialisation of playlist, and then the error message appears.
Here is my "Start list" as jpeg. Maybe from there you can tell if something is wrong.
Attachment Sibelius in the start menu.jpg (70K)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by Robin Walker - 02 Nov 02:44PM
It is possible that Sibelius is being brought down by an incompatible installed VST. Please uninstall any 32-bit VSTs that you have installed, and try Sibelius 32-bit again.

If the crash persists, then click:

Start -> All Programs -> Avid -> Sibelius 7.5 -> Sibelius 7.5 User Data

- In the folder that opens, open sub-folder PlogueEngine;
- if any of the following files exist, please open them into NotePad and copy and paste their text contents into a follow-up post:
- PlogueEngine.log
- vst.cache
- vst_filter.cache
- vstfilelist.cache


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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 02 Nov 05:39PM
I'll check it out. I guess I'll have to do the "User Data-Job".
Thanks for your help.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with
Posted by MadMusicologist - 03 Nov 05:33PM (edited 04 Nov 05:25PM)
Problem solved.
I made the same mistake as many others before.
How I managed it:
A) Launch Sibelius 64bit.
1) Opened playback properties.
2) Clicked "Audio Engine options"
3) at "Virtual instruments and effects": entered all folders in which I previously had installed any VSt-Plugins.
For orientation, see attached jpeg.
I do not have to launch Sib 7 in the 32bit version at all. All plugins I wish did appear. They are all genuinely 64 bit.
How I came to this?
By checking the sound libraries following the manual for Sib 7 Sounds (See entry http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=663356&groupid=3&). Then I had the idea as described.

Be happy with me.
Attachment Playback properties.jpg (366K)

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Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with "... - MadMusicologist, 08 Oct 04:56PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 15 Oct 02:34PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 21 Oct 07:32PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 21 Oct 07:58PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 22 Oct 03:08AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 22 Oct 06:58PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 28 Oct 09:33PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 28 Oct 09:48PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 29 Oct 08:58PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 29 Oct 09:56PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 01 Nov 04:57AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 01 Nov 05:54PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 04:22AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 02 Nov 10:05AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 01:28PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - Robin Walker, 02 Nov 02:44PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 02 Nov 05:39PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: .sf2-player, microtonal tuning with - MadMusicologist, 03 Nov 05:33PM