'Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis'

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Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 08:52AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Wim Hoogewerf, 01 Oct 09:07AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 09:20AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Laurence Payne, 01 Oct 09:51AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 10:01AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Bob Morabito, 01 Oct 10:30AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Laurence Payne, 01 Oct 03:54PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Wim Hoogewerf, 01 Oct 04:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 05:36PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Robin Walker, 01 Oct 05:51PM

Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by dprice112 - 01 Oct 08:52AM
Hi everyone

I think I'm beyond the point of being helped at this point, but I'd love some suggestions as to what I did wrong in this situation...

For weeks I've been working on a project, but recently I switched over to another project. Today I decided to go back to work more on the first project, but for some reason Sibelius said that the 'project couldn't be found' when I tried opening it in the quick start menu.

I have no idea what happened to it. It is no where to be found on my computer. Not in the trash, the finder, documents, anything...I think there's a chance I may have saved over it somehow with the project I switched to but I don't know how that could have happened because that would entail me renaming the first project to the 2nd project name.

I think something could've also happened when I changed the preferences for where the files get saved to for the 2nd project, but I figured the backup files for the old project would still be somewhere on the computer.

What's also odd is the backup files for the new project are numbered 1-12, and then 204-228. No idea why.

No I haven't been backing up with time machine or an external.
yes I'm an idiot.
Has this ever happened to anyone before?

Do I seriously have to change the "Save to" preferences everytime I open a new file? What if I have 2 open at the same time?

beyond frustrated, but am back to square one

any insights/suggestions/sympathies would be appreciated :))

-Dylan
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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 01 Oct 09:07AM
> For weeks I've been working on a project, but recently I switched over to another project.

One reason might be: you did 'Save as' and then changed the name into the name of the new project. Thus the first project is cancelled if you never saved it before.
You can try, slowly: Control > F > R to get the list of all your projects. In your Scores folder, there's a folder called Backup Scores which contains all saved versions of your scores since a certain time.



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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by dprice112 - 01 Oct 09:20AM
Hi Wim
Thanks for the feedback

I've saved the 1st project several times before starting the 2nd project though. Can you explain more about this command? It gives me hope...Do I press those keys all at once in the quick start menu? Nothing seems to be happening. I'm also using a Mac

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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Oct 09:51AM (edited 01 Oct 09:53AM)
I wouldn't worry about the the Quick Start page. It's notoriously unreliable, and you seem to have taken steps to confuse it further! Think more of searching tour computer for the file name of the score you have mislaid. You've changed the "official" location for Sibelius scores. So you'll need to do a general search of your computer.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by dprice112 - 01 Oct 10:01AM
Yes I've taken steps to confuse myself further as well.
I like saving all the files and backup files of one project in a folder titled that project. That way all the backup files are contained in neat folders and not sprawled all over next to backup files of other projects

when I searched my comp, it turned up 2 backup files from the original project, but I've done much more work on the project since those so they're not helpful. Don't know where any of the other backup files are

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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Bob Morabito - 01 Oct 10:30AM
Just to be sure I would also specifically check your AutoSave folder (I believe youve already looked in your Scores, and Backup folders).

Also check your Documents folder.

And when searching the entire computer I would not just search by name, but also by date, in case you possibly messed up the name, and by filetype--.sib

I hope you find the files..and start using Time Machine, please!!!
(and an external backup, and online saving also)

Thanks Bob

PS Also actually play the earliest versions of your second project to make sure theyre not from the first protect, mistakenly saved under the second projects name

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Oct 03:54PM
> Yes I've taken steps to confuse myself further as well.
> I like saving all the files and backup files of one project in a folder titled that project. That way all the backup files are contained in neat folders and not sprawled all over next to backup files of other projects
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> when I searched my comp, it turned up 2 backup files from the original project, but I've done much more work on the project since those so they're not helpful. Don't know where any of the other backup files are

You can choose the default Save path for sib scores, but can you do anything about the Backup Scores location?

I wouldn't try to trick the system. Maybe you have a good reason for saving your sib files not in the default Scores folder (I do, because it's one of several folders I share between two networked computers using Windows' Offline Files feature) but my Backup Scores always seem to go in the default folder. And, although different projects live in different folders within Scores of course, I certainly don't keep changing my default Save folder.

It's even worse on Mac :-) Presumably you chose Mac because you wanted things to "just work"? Well, they do, to an extent, but the price you pay is allowing the system to put things where it wants to, and not arguing about it!
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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 01 Oct 04:50PM

> Can you explain more about this command? It gives me hope...Do I press those keys all at once in the quick start menu? Nothing seems to be happening.

This doesn't work from the Quick Start page, you need to open a score first, any score. And then you press Ctrl > F > R one after each other. (As soon as you press Ctrl you see small Thumbnails pop up everywhere with an inscription. These are quite handy shortcuts!)


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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by dprice112 - 01 Oct 05:36PM
@ Wim those are useful tools, haven't got into the habit of using them yet.
That's helpful although since I changed the location of the score and backup files I don't believe I I have a scores folder or a backup scores folder

@ Laurence, how can I revert back to the default save locations? I want to stop messing with it and submit to the default at this point

@Bob, thank you for your suggestions. Still no luck on the search. But I have since started using time machine.

I just find it weird that the backup files for my 2nd project are labeled from 1-12 then from 204-228. why would that be? I also remember times when as i was working on the 2nd project it would randomly add dozens of bars after the final bar. Not sure what i did to make it do that, but I would just delete them when I realized it happened. Don't know if this helps solve the mystery or just add to it, but I feel like it might be related to my first score disappearing





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Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis
Posted by Robin Walker - 01 Oct 05:51PM
> since I changed the location of the score and backup files I don't believe I I have a scores folder or a backup scores folder

Of course you do. Changing Sibelius preferences does not change what you have on your hard disk.

Use the Finder (not Search, not Spotlight) to examine your personal files and folders, and look for the "Scores" folder.

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Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 08:52AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Wim Hoogewerf, 01 Oct 09:07AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 09:20AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Laurence Payne, 01 Oct 09:51AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 10:01AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Bob Morabito, 01 Oct 10:30AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Laurence Payne, 01 Oct 03:54PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Wim Hoogewerf, 01 Oct 04:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - dprice112, 01 Oct 05:36PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: project saving crisis - Robin Walker, 01 Oct 05:51PM