Does anyone know how the attached happens? To the best of my knowledge, I'm not doing anything special with these four bars that I haven't done with all the rest of this 80-bar piece, but occasionally, the music just runs right off the 'paper.' I would like to prevent this because I also don't know how to fix it. Thanks.
If we had the score itself, demonstrating the issue, rather than a picture of it, then we might be able to help. It looks as if the right-hand staff handles have been dragged outwards, but I can't really tell from a picture.
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Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM
Try Ctrl-A (select all) then Ctrl-shift-U (unlock format).
Or, if this would mess up too many other aspects of your layout, go to Document Setup and increase the R page margin to something like 50. You'll then be able to drag the end of the stave back into place. You know where the handle to do this is - just to the right beyond the end of the stave? Then restore the original margin setting.
You're both correct...to a point. The last bar line somehow got 'dragged out' to the right, but not by me. This has to be happening when I'm doing other things, such as adding measures, Copy & Paste, or something else. The problem is that it always occurs 'off screen,' that is, if it were in an area that I was working with in front of me, then I would instantly see it happening and do a CTRL+Z to reverse.
The reasons that I know that I haven't dragged the bar are 1) you can't do this - when you select the bar and attempt to drag, all it does is resize the other bars in the same system; 2) I have never before worked with this 'handle' thing that Mr. Payne mentions - it has never been activated in order for me to accidentally drag it.
When I used the handle tool, I was able to move the bar back in place, so a hearty THANKS for this information. I was going nuts trying to solve this because (as usual) I didn't know the proper terms to search on in the Help doc (I was using 'margin,' 'measure,' 'horizontal,' etc. - everything but 'indent' and I certainly didn't know about 'handle').
One thing about the interface that might be contributing to this problem (because it certainly does with others) is that when you use the hand tool (mouse) to drag the music around (something I have to do constantly in order to see), unlike any other application I've ever worked with, when you hold down the left mouse button, the little fist 'grabber' pointer doesn't appear until you start dragging. This has resulted in the screwing up of my layout before, sometimes without finding out until later. I suggest that in a future release of the software, that Avid makes it so that when the left mouse button is pressed and held in a truly neutral area of the score that it immediately turns into the fist pointer so that the user doesn't have to guess as to the ability to drag the view.
Steve: I'm using Sib v7.5.1 on a Dell Win8.1 machine. Is your configuration similar? This happens to me with all files I create. I've attached a little AVI that shows this. If you look closely, you'll see the little mouse appear on the screen before the move. This indicates that the mouse button has been pushed. Note that the icon does not change until I actually drag the mouse pointer.
Well, this wouldn't be my first experience with something that used to work in previous versions being broken by v7. The measure repeat marker would indeed play back the notes and rhythm of the previous measure, but would ignore certain types of articulation. This had worked in previous versions, then they had to fix it in v7.5.1. Thanks for your responses - it's good to know that there's a difference in the software.
Do you have a custom mouse pointer enabled on your computer? I suggest you revery to standard settings. See attached screenshot.
Yes, dragging the barline doesn't do anything much useful. You need the handle just beyond. It's always available, but only visible if turned on by View:Handles.
No custom pointer...everything is set to default windows settings, and the Mouse is just a plain OOB Dell. Besides, the 'grabber' works normally in every other application that I've used which supports it. It's only Sibelius where it doesn't.
As for the handle, I see now what you're talking about by being able to actually select it with the mouse even though it's normally hidden. I think that this solves the mystery of the extended system. Since I'm not aware that I haven't grabbed the score's neutral area, I've accidentally grabbed the handle of the system and dragged it out. When I mentioned that it seems to happen with Copy & Paste and other 'large area' operations, it stands to reason that dragging the score would be involved in these.
I'll just have to be more careful until somebody figures out a fix. Thanks.
Moving around the score by mouse-dragging can turn out to be inefficient and slow.
You might like to know that:
Alt-Home
Alt-End
Alt-PageUp
Alt-PageDown
are keyboard shortcuts for movements left, right, up, and down, of about a third of a page at a time. They are much more efficient than mouse-dragging, as there is only one re-computation of the score.
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Sibelius 7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM
Rather than rubber-banding a selection, try the standard Windows shortcuts for range selection - click the beginning then Shift-click the end. Also note the useful things Sibelius does if you double-click or triple-click in a bar, or in a vertical selection.
Most of the dragging of the score I do is to locate parts that I have composed previously which represent either parts that I wish to duplicate exactly (Copy & Paste or Alt+click), or which have similar rhythm pattern which I then quickly adjust pitches. I find entering note durations into Sibelius to be a little cumbersome because of the lack of ability to move notes around if you make a mistake (Sibelius always wants to 'calculate' measures: combines rests and notes when one or the other is deleted, etc.). Thus, I'm navigating, say, from page 20 to page 4 in a score, not beginning to end or simply up and down on a page by increments.
Using the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom doesn't help much, and for a variety of reasons: 1) it jerks as it scrolls, which is very disconcerting and forces me to stop and look around to see where I am; 2) the information on the Status Bar only indicates where the cursor or insertion point is, not the view (which is to be expected); 3) when scrolling from earlier to later in a score which has anything more than five or six pages, after I find where I want to be and let go of the thumb, then many times the view will 'recalculate' and jump me to an entirely different place in the score!; 4) I have to zoom out on the view to such an extent that I can't see what I'm scrolling through, anyway.
The 'grabber' tool solves most of these issues: 1) I can move up and down at the same time I move side to side; 2) it doesn't jerk the view; 3) it allows me to alter the range of the movement a lot easier.
Actually, I'm thankful that Avid has the grabber tool in the application at all. Microsoft has steadfastly refused to include this tool in its products directly (i.e., Windows Explorer), yet they've never made any improvements in the scrolling.
I think the old Navigator is still in Sibelius somewhere. Or you can click in the Timeline. It doesn't select anything, but I think it gets you to the right page.
Yeah, I tried the Navigator - works ok with small scores, but the larger ones still require you to know what page you need to go to or else you're still scrolling around a lot. I'm going to look into a larger monitor. I think that will help with the tradeoff between having to see scores top to bottom and having to see the material in the scores. Thanks.
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