'Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time '

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Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 05:02AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 06:12AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:29AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 06:51AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Laurence Payne, 23 Sep 08:29AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Steven Edis, 23 Sep 08:51AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - jgkzl, 23 Sep 11:04AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 12:25PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:19PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:22PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - jgkzl, 23 Sep 06:46PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Noel Fidge, 23 Sep 11:02PM

Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Ben Moore - 23 Sep 05:02AM
I have quite a calamity on my hands! I've been working on a huge opera score. I just noticed that a large section that was in 3/4 time has somehow been converted to 4/4 time so that every bar has a quarter rest tacked on to the end of it. The initial 3/4 time signature is gone, I see (I don't know how it disappeared!) but adding another initial 3/4 time signature does not, of course, solve the problem. It just rebars the whole section with the extra rests creating a huge mess. Please tell me there is a way to convert all these pages of music back to 3/4 time without recreating everything bar by bar. That would involve hours of work. Many thanks in advance for any advice!!
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Bob Morabito - 23 Sep 06:12AM (edited 23 Sep 06:48AM)
My first thought how to do this is to use the Draw Free Rhythm Barline plugin (Note Input>Plugins>Plugins>Composing Tools>Draw Free Rhythm barline) in each of the 4/4 measures, one by one.

Select the note right before the 4th beat, and run plugin, so you then have 3/4 and 1/4.

The Select all the 1/4 measures with the rest and Delete bars (Home Tab>Bars>delete)

Thanks Bob

PS Im sure (or at least strongly holpe!)someone else will come up with a better way!

Thanks Bob

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Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Ben Moore - 23 Sep 06:29AM
This will be a job but it's better than recreating everything. Thanks so much Bob. Any other ideas are welcome. Also, any thoughts about how this could have happened? Losing or changing a time signature could rebar all the measures that follows. What would add a beat to every measure?
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Bob Morabito - 23 Sep 06:51AM
You're very welcome Ben--I hope someone come up with a much faster way, (though what I suggested sounds worse that it really was doing it:)

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Laurence Payne - 23 Sep 08:29AM
You could try selecting the passage and applying a 1/4 time signature. Then go through, system-selecting each extra beat and pressing Delete. Finally re-apply 3/4.

Have you any idea how this remarkable situation happened?
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Steven Edis - 23 Sep 08:51AM
I can't imagine how this could have happened - I mean, I don't know how one would go about trying to do this deliberately. If you can think of how, it probably holds the key to undoing it!

I do think therefore that you have to proceed bar-by-bar, as Bob suggests. If it's laborious to find and select the note before the unwanted quarter rest in each bar and then invoke the plug-in, the following may (or may not!) be fractionally easier & quicker:

First make sure 'Restore original after single-bar selection' is switched on (for me on Sib6 this is a checkbox in Preferences>NoteInput)

Now select first bar, hit T, select 3/4, hit return

Select next bar, hit T, hit return
Select next bar, hit T, hit return
etc

Then as with Bob's method you will need to select all the unwanted bars containing rests and delete them (one-by-one, unfortunately)

You'll be left with a passage with a redundant 3/4 time-sig at every bar, but (I was quite surprised to discover) you can select these all at once via the Advanced Filter and delete them.

This all takes longer to describe than to do!

Whatever you do, you'll need to proof-read what you end up with, as it's likely that any custom beaming you originally put in may be lost.

Steve

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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by jgkzl - 23 Sep 11:04AM
Ben,

I just made a plug-in that will do what you're asking for.
It is ofcourse a very basic one but nevertheless it should work.
It uses more or less the method that Stevin Edis describes.

Do you want me to send it to you?

Jan
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Bob Morabito - 23 Sep 12:25PM
WOW--Way to go Jan:)

Thanks Bob

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Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Ben Moore - 23 Sep 06:19PM
That would be amazing, Jan! I've put in 6 hours so far correcting this mess and I'm about half way through. Please send. You can send via this forum I assume? Thank you and to Steve and Bob.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Ben Moore - 23 Sep 06:22PM
And thanks, too, Lawrence for your clever idea.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by jgkzl - 23 Sep 06:46PM (edited 24 Sep 04:03PM)
Ben,

It's in your mailbox.

Jan
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Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time
Posted by Noel Fidge - 23 Sep 11:02PM
This Chat site must be the best, friendliest, efficient and most helpful forum in the world.
Why would one ever think of leaving Sib!

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Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 05:02AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 06:12AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:29AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 06:51AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Laurence Payne, 23 Sep 08:29AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Steven Edis, 23 Sep 08:51AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - jgkzl, 23 Sep 11:04AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Bob Morabito, 23 Sep 12:25PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:19PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Ben Moore, 23 Sep 06:22PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - jgkzl, 23 Sep 06:46PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: help! How to return to 3/4 time - Noel Fidge, 23 Sep 11:02PM