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Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 06:32AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Adrian Drover, 16 Sep 06:49AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 06:57AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 07:35AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 07:45AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Stephen Wrigley, 16 Sep 09:01AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 09:03AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 09:12AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 09:32AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 10:05AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 10:59AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Robin Walker, 16 Sep 11:22AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 11:33AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Robin Walker, 16 Sep 11:58AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 12:05PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Adrian Drover, 16 Sep 12:34PM

Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 06:32AM
Hi!
When trying to make suffixes (numbers) in chord symbols on the baseline, ie not superscript, I go to Edit chord symbols/Edit suffix and tick the box "use baseline extension number". But nothing happens. Mark all chords and reset design doesn't work. Am I missing something here, or is this maybe a bug?
I'm on Wondows 8.1.
Or is there a more easy way to just change the whole writing style to non superscript globaly (without using non-music/non-chord font)?

Best,
Anders Annerholm
Notografiska

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Adrian Drover - 16 Sep 06:49AM
I use legacy chord input to get exactly what I need.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 06:57AM
Ok, thanks. That applies to writing, if I understand this right? I'm currently editing a lot of files with already existing chords... No way to change this wittout manual editing of each symbol? Also - there is this option, so why doesn't it work?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 16 Sep 07:35AM
In Edit Chord Text Suffic both check 'Override appearance' (and then choose your preferred suffix) and 'Use baseline extension number'.

If nothing happens on existing chords, which is expected, do Reset Design (Shift+Cmd+D)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 07:45AM
I've done that, as you can see i the 1st post. But thing is, since these files come from different computers, I suspect problems because of that. In one file this procedure actually worked just now, so it's there but not reliable.. That chord was undefined in the test style/font etc box, but could be changed. The bad thing is, if a write a chord symbol from scratch, even i a new file, this option is not working.
Has this something to do with W8.1??

BTW - thanks guys on this forum for quick replies;-)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Stephen Wrigley - 16 Sep 09:01AM
I've been confused by this for a while - I have no answers, I'm afraid - sometimes, my extensions are on the baseline, sometimes, despite "override appearance", they sit doggedly in the air (and sometimes I want this). All I can add is that once you've selected override appearance, it seems you need to write the chord in again from scratch. Makes no sense to me!

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 09:03AM
Thing is, since this regards mainly the "7" and other numbers, that the override option is not availble and all grey!
Any comments to this?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 16 Sep 09:12AM
> Thing is, since this regards mainly the "7" and other numbers, that the override option is not availble and all grey!

Reset Design - once more - makes the chord symbol appear according to settings. Changes in settings do not apply immediately to already created chord symbols, only after Reset Design.

Did you check 'Override appearance'?
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 09:32AM
Wim, I'm aware of that the reset design has to be done that way, but it's not changing anything. And the override option is not available, clickable, etc. It's all grey on the left hand side in the Edit suffix window when you mark for example no. 7 in the list. It's availble when editing a word suffix, but then the "use baseline extension number" is not available (which, I guess, is in order).
Wim, since you're on Mac, maybe it's working there and there are problems with PC?
Stephen, are you on PC?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 16 Sep 10:05AM
Hi Anders, feel free to join a file so we can have a look. I suspect the Chord symbols in your file are Legacy Chord symbols. You can select all Chord Symbols and run the Text Plug-in Convert Legacy Chord Symbols.


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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 10:59AM
OK, here's an example. The chord symbols above the top staff are "undefined", made by another user. The ones above the guitar staff is also made by the same other user, but is detected as "chord symbol". Mind, you can filter out ALL as chord symbols. If you reset design on the top staff, you will get the change according to the choice made in edit suffixes, but not in the guitar staff.
Attachment chord symbols example.sib (168K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Robin Walker - 16 Sep 11:22AM
On the vocal staff, new-style Chord Symbols are used.
On the guitar staff, old-style Legacy Chord Texts are used.

I don't understand what you mean by "undefined".

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 11:33AM
Thanks Robin. How can you see that? Where can I change to new-style in the guitar staff?
By undefined I meant that if you mark one chord on the vocal staff, then look under the text tab, there is no text style, font etc, just grey.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Robin Walker - 16 Sep 11:58AM (edited 16 Sep 12:02PM)
> How can you see that?

If you select an object, and then look in the status bar at the bottom of the Sibelius window, it will tell you the class of object selected. For instance:
- a selected new-style Chord Symbol shows "Edit Chord Symbol";
- a selected old-style Legacy Chord Text shows "Edit Text"

> Where can I change to new-style in the guitar staff?

There is a downloadable plug-in called "Convert Legacy Chord Symbols", in category "Chord Symbols" in the Sibelius 7 plug-in installation dialogue (tab File).

> By undefined I meant that if you mark one chord on the vocal staff,
> then look under the text tab, there is no text style, font etc, just grey.

That is because you do not have a text object selected, so the Text tab has nothing to say.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 12:05PM
Ok! Now I get it. I thought chord symbols were a text style...
Thanks!

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number
Posted by Adrian Drover - 16 Sep 12:34PM
Posted by Anders Annerholm - 16 Sep 12:05
Ok! Now I get it. I thought chord symbols were a text style...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

They can be if you want them to be, Anders. And practically any convention is possible when they are.

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Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 06:32AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Adrian Drover, 16 Sep 06:49AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 06:57AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 07:35AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 07:45AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Stephen Wrigley, 16 Sep 09:01AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 09:03AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 09:12AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 09:32AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Wim Hoogewerf, 16 Sep 10:05AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 10:59AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Robin Walker, 16 Sep 11:22AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 11:33AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Robin Walker, 16 Sep 11:58AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Anders Annerholm, 16 Sep 12:05PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Chords - baseline extension number - Adrian Drover, 16 Sep 12:34PM