'Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout'

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Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 24 Jul 12:28PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 24 Jul 02:05PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Justin at Sibelius, 24 Jul 02:28PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 24 Jul 03:42PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 24 Jul 04:26PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 25 Jul 08:54AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 26 Jul 06:56AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 30 Jul 12:08PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 30 Jul 12:09PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Wim Hoogewerf, 30 Jul 09:49PM

Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Judith - 24 Jul 12:28PM
I have had difficulties in changing different instruments, mainly Organ to Harpsichord and back again, so decided to 'add' both these instruments to separate staves and then delete the original one I had created. This done, I hid the empty staves. However, I now realise that these take up space in the layout and am unable to make a reasonable layout without having a half empty page for most of the score. This score has been prepared because it is no longer in print anywhere and we need it for an imminent concert with all parts included. Could anyone help me with either changing the instrument (without having separate staves) or with the enclosed .sib score's layout. I have added a pdf, done on a previous version before these instrument changes were made, so they are not always correct. As you can see the key signature also changes, not helping my problem.

One other point, in creating staves for both instruments I now have rests in both/several voices. Is there anyway I can remove/hide these in one go. Sometimes it works when I change from V12 to V1 but other times it changes the notes and becomes infuriatingly time-consuming.

Most of this, I put down to my ignorance but there you are, how else can you learn !

Most grateful for any help on the above.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Laurence Payne - 24 Jul 02:05PM
This can be sorted out. But your score didn't attach. Maybe it's too big? Is it full of Versions?

If this merely confuses you more - email it to me privately if you like, I'll post a workable version.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 24 Jul 02:28PM
Use an instrument change and all your problems go away. There's no need for having separate instruments.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Judith - 24 Jul 03:42PM

Laurence I have sent you the file as requested by email, yes there are probably 2 versions.

Thank you Justin, I will go back to my orignal score and try the changes again, maybe I understand better how to do it !


By the way everyone, I'm using Mavericks 10.9.4
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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Laurence Payne - 24 Jul 04:26PM
Nothing arrived yet...

If/when it does I'll try to post it here.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 Jul 08:54AM (edited 25 Jul 09:10AM)
OK. Here are the scores, stripped of Versions to bring them down to a possible size for this forum.

If we want individual control in the Mixer of Organ and Harpsichord, seperate staves for each are the way to go. (But isn't this score being prepared for performance, not for Sibelius playback?)

If we want automatic labelling of each change from Organ to Harpsichord, Instrument Changes will do it - though the warnings "To Harpsichord", "To Organ" should probably be deleted.

In the "...instrumentchanges" version there are seperate staves AND Instrument changes!

Now, what was the question again?
Attachments Salmo_Decimo_Full Orchestra_Org_Hpsd_without comments.sib (342K), Salomo_Decimo_Full orchestra_intrumentchanges.sib (177K)
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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Judith - 26 Jul 06:56AM
Thanks everyone for all your help. In fact I was right in that I need the two types of scores, one for performance and one for playback for the chorus so I don't feel I completely wasted my time. The performance changes work now - don't know why they didn't before.
As always this forum always comes to my rescue - brilliant and thank you all again. Judith

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Judith - 30 Jul 12:08PM
Hi Everybody, I'm sorry to come back and don't know whether I should be starting a new thread or not but here goes. In the file below just loaded today, there are different staves for hspd and organ and NO instrument changes. (I have hidden empty staves). I cannot get all the notes to play, particularly Organ bass clef 'A Cappella' bar 1 page 17 (bar 91 in the overall score). I have no idea why. I need to be able to control the sound/s individually when preparing all the different working mp3s for SATB. so I do need all the notes to sound everywhere. Any help gratefully received. Judith

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Judith - 30 Jul 12:09PM
I can see there is no attachment - what do I do to send a .sib file with only the one version. ?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 30 Jul 09:49PM
Do Review > Edit Versions and delete all versions, except for the current one. Now your score can be attached.

Note that you should always say 'No' when asked if you want to save a version. Unless you really want it, for exemple with another instrumentation.

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Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 24 Jul 12:28PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 24 Jul 02:05PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Justin at Sibelius, 24 Jul 02:28PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 24 Jul 03:42PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 24 Jul 04:26PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Laurence Payne, 25 Jul 08:54AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 26 Jul 06:56AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 30 Jul 12:08PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Judith, 30 Jul 12:09PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Instrument changes/Baroque/layout - Wim Hoogewerf, 30 Jul 09:49PM