'Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect'

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Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 25 Jun 12:24AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Bob Morabito, 25 Jun 12:18PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 25 Jun 04:32PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Bob Morabito, 25 Jun 05:22PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 26 Jun 11:33PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Mike Lyons, 27 Jun 06:54AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 27 Jun 01:38PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Laurence Payne, 27 Jun 02:13PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - gdugan, 30 Jul 05:45PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Gary Murway, 22 Nov 09:30AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Mike Lyons, 22 Nov 08:54PM

Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Ben Moore - 25 Jun 12:24AM
I can't figure out why for this particular score and only for this score (attached) the slurs have no effect in the playback. Every note plays back detached. It's especially noticeable in the strings. (Note that the piano part in this score is only there for reference and should be deselected when playing back the score!) Restarting Sibelius has no effect.
Thanks for any advice!
Ben
Attachment II-9 (Herman) full score.sib (131K)
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Bob Morabito - 25 Jun 12:18PM
It seems ok here Ben--I was looking for a caesura, which seems to shorten notes, but couldnt find one..

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Ben Moore - 25 Jun 04:32PM
Thanks Bob. I'm really mystified. It turns out that it's not just this score that won't play slurs but all my scores. I've restarted Sibelius and the computer, checked settings in the playback dictionary (adjusting the duration of notes has no effect on the score), and played with reverb settings in the mixer and in my playback devices. Nothing has any effect on the slurs. Slurred phrases play back sounding exactly like unslurred phrases!!! I also just spent a long while on the phone with Sibelius tech support and they're stumped as well. I sent them a score and they also say that the slurs playback fine for them. So it's something to do with my computer. But what?? This started happening yesterday and I can't think of anything I've done that's unusual.
All suggestions are welcome!
Ben
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Bob Morabito - 25 Jun 05:22PM
You're welcome Ben--please keep us posted as to the solution.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Ben Moore - 26 Jun 11:33PM
I'm still at a loss to solve this problem. None of my slurs in any of my scores are playing back! I thought it might have something to do with GPO4 sounds or Aria player which I use for most scores but the scores of mine that use Sibelius 7 sounds and Sibelius player have the same problem. It has paralyzed me because the playback sounds terrible. I've read dozens and dozens of threads about slurs and tried a myriad of suggestions all to no avail. Sibelius tech people are also stumped. Any suggestions anyone??

Last week, by the way, the tech guys at Sibelius finally solved my crashing problem. There is a bug in the playback of trills!!! Disabling all my trills stopped the crashes! But I have to live with the compromised playback until the next update when this issue will be addressed, I'm told. And now my slur problem. Always something!
Ben
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Mike Lyons - 27 Jun 06:54AM
Have you tried importing one of the standard house styles? I don't know if it will work for you - because I can't reproduce your problem with your score - but I have noticed that scores produced on older versions of Sibelius which I have converted to Sib 7.5 sometimes develop this problem and this is one of the ways that (sometimes) works. Another thing to try (though it is very tedious) is to create a new blank score from the quick start menu and then copy/paste the music into the new score. Good luck!

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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Ben Moore - 27 Jun 01:38PM
Thanks for the suggestions, Mike. I've worked with Sibelius for many years and have never felt the need to make any changes to the house style. (I can't even figure out how to check what house style I'm using.) But I went to the appearance/house style/import section and switched between different styles. Nothing had any effect on the playback. Slurs are still completely ignored. And a newly-created test score (which I assume automatically uses one of the standard house styles) has the same problem. So creating a new blank score mirroring the many time signature changes and system objects of a given score and then painstakingly copying the notes into it would be futile, right?
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Jun 02:13PM
Not necessarily. If you make a System Selection, the structure will copy along with the notes. Or just copy a short section, containing slurs, as an experiment.

Just one thought. Are there any MIDI cables or USB-connected MIDI devices plugged into your computer? Pull them all out, and try again.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by gdugan - 30 Jul 05:45PM
I was having the same problem. I think you are using a slur, instead of a tie. Someone's response to a different question led me to this, from the Sibelius manual:

4.27 Ties
Ties are used in music to indicate that two notes of identical pitch are joined to each other to form one longer note. Notes at the end or middle of a tie should not be replayed. Ties are dis- tinctly different than slurs, which are used to show phrase structures and, in the case of wind or string instruments, group notes together that should be played within one single movement of the bow or in one continuous breath (See 4.8-Slurs).

Ties versus slurs
Never use a slur instead of a tie – slurs looks similar, but won’t behave like a tie in playback or if you transpose the music. Likewise you should never use a tie instead of a slur, as it is then possible to tie notes to nothing (i.e. neither to another note nor a rest), resulting in notes being held indefinitely during playback.

Creating ties
Ties are input from the first Keypad layout. Simply select a note and then choose the tie from the keypad (shortcut Enter). To add a tie to all the notes of a chord, double-click it (or use the shortcut Ctrl+Shift+A or A) before selecting the tie from the Keypad.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Gary Murway - 22 Nov 09:30AM
i did what Mike Lyons suggested and it worked . only i just replaced the staves 1 at a time if needed.

it was an old score started back in sib 6 and imported to sib 8.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect
Posted by Mike Lyons - 22 Nov 08:54PM (edited 22 Nov 10:11PM)
Glad it worked for someone! :-D


@Ben. have you checked your playback dictionary to see what settings are set for slurred and unslurred notes?

Also, nested slurs do not always work as expected on some instruments. There have been issues where legato is cancelled early by a nested slur so that only the inner slur plays.


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Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 25 Jun 12:24AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Bob Morabito, 25 Jun 12:18PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 25 Jun 04:32PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Bob Morabito, 25 Jun 05:22PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 26 Jun 11:33PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Mike Lyons, 27 Jun 06:54AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Ben Moore, 27 Jun 01:38PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Laurence Payne, 27 Jun 02:13PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - gdugan, 30 Jul 05:45PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Gary Murway, 22 Nov 09:30AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: slurs have no effect - Mike Lyons, 22 Nov 08:54PM