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Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automat... - Lucian Manea, 16 May 07:06PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 16 May 07:16PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 12:13AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Robin Walker, 17 May 09:10AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 02:31PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Robin Walker, 17 May 02:42PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 03:47PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 17 May 04:19PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 04:32PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Sam at Sibelius, 19 May 01:07PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 19 May 05:02PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Sam at Sibelius, 19 May 05:40PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 19 May 05:55PM

Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 16 May 07:06PM (edited 16 May 07:09PM)
Hello,

I use Sibelius 7.5 and Aria Au on late 2013 IMac 10.9.2 OS with 16GB Ram
Using any of Garritan libraires (GPO4, JABB3 or CMB2)along with Sibelius 7 sounds.

The equalizer in the instrument controls of Aria does not automatically save (it turns off) after I save the score in Sibelius and exiting the program (everything else seems to), so I have to load the Aria Player AU plug-in setting each time I open a Sibelius score.

I notice the audible difference after reloading the saved setting from Aria sinnce the equlaizer is turned on.

Is there a way to fix this?

Thank you for any possible help,
Lucian

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Philip R - 16 May 07:16PM
If you make any changes to the Aria settings, you have to go to Play > Setup > Playback Devices and click "Save" to save those new settings as part of your configuration.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 17 May 12:13AM
Thank you Phillip, I have tried doing that without much success.

Am using the Aria Player and Engine V1.620 version (OS X x86-64) , which seems to be the latest one for MAC.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 May 09:10AM
The change log for ARIA Engine includes a possibly relevant item:
Version 1.6.6.8 October 29th 2013
Version 1.6.6.7 October 28th 2013
OSX AU parameter fixes

Maybe try updating ARIA Engine to the latest version:
http://ariaengine.com/support/aria-engine-update/

Or, try switching to using the VDT version of ARIA Player, instead of AU.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 17 May 02:31PM
- I updated the ARIA Engine to v1.719 (ARIA Player is still at v1.620)

- also tried using VST instead of AU

still the Aria Player Equalizer from instrument control does not automatically save after going to Play > Setup > Playback Devices and clicking 'Save'

strangely enough when the Aria Player Equalizer is turned off, my other problem seems to go away (in my other thread where I mention that 2 articulations on same note or articulation + technique makes the note not play back)

I guess this is getting very complicated....... is there a bug somewhere?
Do I re-install the Aria player and/or Sibelius 7.5 and/or Sibelius 7 Sounds?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 May 02:42PM
> Do I re-install the Aria player and/or Sibelius 7.5 and/or Sibelius 7 Sounds?

No to all those questions.

It seems your issue is wholly confined to the Garritan ARIA system, so I suggest that you seek support from Garritan.

There doesn't seem to be a Sibelius involvement.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 17 May 03:47PM
I already contacted Garritan/MakeMusic before and below is what Peter F. from MakeMusic had to say:
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(''Lucian,
Thank you for getting back to me - I'm afraid I couldn't say exactly why the equalizer settings are being retained - they defintitely should be. What I can tell you is that our company actually manages a number of other programs including the Finale Notation program, and in my experience as a tech agent, DAW and music notation programs keep plug-in settings in the host program. This means that when you save a file in Sibelius, I would expect that plug-in settings in the Garritan Library (such as which instrument you choose, settings from the "effects" tab, and indeed specific eq settings) would be retained in that Sibelius file you've saved. This is common practice in most programs that use AU plug-ins, and if you're running this problem, I wish I could tell you what might be happening, but the best thing to do would be to contact Sibelius support. They should be able to help find out why your document isn't saving any plug-in settings, and they likely should have great familiarity with our Garritan software. I know that when customers come to us with similar issues in Finale, we often end up having them send in their document to us as well, so we can try to replicate the issue on our computers - I suspect that Sibelius support may ask you to do the same thing.
Still, this does sound like some odd behavior and I wish I had an answer for you about what was going on, but I recommend that you contact Avid Customer support from here in order to get to the bottom of things.
Regards,
Peter F
MakeMusic Customer Support'')
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I'll call a Sibelius Customer Technician on Monday, am assuming that you guys don't work in the same department and perhaps they may have a different idea to how to fix this.
As far as I am understanding, its Sibelius who should be responsible for the Garritan sound library fixes if they are used within Sibelius notation program. Not only does Avid/Sibelius advertise those libraries but they fully recommend and push for people to buy them. (website/tutorials/etc) The Garritan libraries that I use aren't new products, but Sibelius 7.5 is.

Thank you, at least I was able to update my ARIA Engine with your help!
Lucian

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Philip R - 17 May 04:19PM
Hi Lucian,

I can confirm your problem in both 7.1.3 and 7.5.

Unfortunately I can't figure out a good workaround.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 17 May 04:32PM
Thank you Phillip,

If this is a bug, hasn't anyone ever reported it before?

Because this problem REALLY diminishes the Aria player and Garritan libraries abilities if I cannot fully customize the sounds as the Aria Player is designed to do.
Its almost a waste of money.

Regards,
Lucian

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 19 May 01:07PM
Hi Lucian,

FWIW, it's working here. Try this:

* Go to Play > Setup > Playback Devices
* New... and call it Garritan (or similar)
* Activate Aria and click Show...
* Click the Effects page in Aria and make changes to the Reverb and the EQ
* Closed Aira and click Save
* Switch to another Playback Configuration and back again so it unloads and loads Aria
* Select Aria on the right again and click Show...

You should see the settings for Reverb and EQ are retained. FYI, these settings aren't saved in the score but saved as part of the Playback Configuration. This allows you to set these things up once and use them for any score.

Sam

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Philip R - 19 May 05:02PM
Hi Sam,

It's specifically the EQ settings in the Controls tab of the Aria Player that aren't being retained. Are you able to get them to stick?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 19 May 05:40PM
Ah no, this won't be saved in the fxb file, unfortunately. When Sibelius saves a Playback Configuration, it requests the plugin to generate an fxb file. Sibelius then duly saves this. Some plugins, however, intentionally don't save instrumental data. These are Sibelius Player, Aria and Kontakt, which all have ways to load instruments on the fly. If we saved the instrumental data too, it would mean all these instruments would get loaded once for the Playback Configuration and once again for the score you have open, which is how we originally designed the system back in v5 days and subsequently redesigned it to what we have today.

Sam

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Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automaticaly save in Sibelius 7.5
Posted by Lucian Manea - 19 May 05:55PM
Hi Sam and Phillip,

I've just tried this (from below) and still without success.
Did it work for you?
Lucian

* Go to Play > Setup > Playback Devices
* New... and call it Garritan (or similar)
* Activate Aria and click Show...
* Click the Effects page in Aria and make changes to the Reverb and the EQ
* Closed Aira and click Save
* Switch to another Playback Configuration and back again so it unloads and loads Aria
* Select Aria on the right again and click Show...

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Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not automat... - Lucian Manea, 16 May 07:06PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 16 May 07:16PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 12:13AM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Robin Walker, 17 May 09:10AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 02:31PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Robin Walker, 17 May 02:42PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 03:47PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 17 May 04:19PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 17 May 04:32PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Sam at Sibelius, 19 May 01:07PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Philip R, 19 May 05:02PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Sam at Sibelius, 19 May 05:40PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: Garritan Aria settings do not aut... - Lucian Manea, 19 May 05:55PM