'Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius'

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Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible... - Philip R, 10 Apr 12:38PM
     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - philj, 10 Apr 07:44PM
         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Mike Lyons, 10 Apr 08:43PM
             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Sam at Sibelius, 10 Apr 09:02PM
                 Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Fraser Sims, 10 Apr 10:10PM
     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Jim Druckenmiller, 10 Apr 11:37PM
         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Peter Roos, 11 Apr 01:09AM
             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Philip R, 11 Apr 01:39AM
                 Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Mike Lyons, 11 Apr 07:00AM
                     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 11:33AM
                         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Justin at Sibelius, 11 Apr 02:07PM
                             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Peter Roos, 13 Apr 12:46PM

Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Philip R - 10 Apr 12:38PM
Avid announces a new strategic vision called Avid Everywhere, and we learn a little about how Sibelius fits into the mix:

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/avid-everywhere-and-the-possible-future-direction-of-sibelius/

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by philj - 10 Apr 07:44PM
An interesting read that has 'cloud' all over it. Avid has seen the light like Microsoft and others. Clients no longer want automatically to buy every update which might only contain 'bells and whistles' on top of what their current version already gives them. And software makers need to keep producing new software.

Cloud computing allows them to monetize by monthly rentals - and Avid offers all the well known reasons (on the referenced Media Composer link) to convince us of the benefits. To get our suggestions taken into account, all we need to do is subscribe to their Customer Association at $100 p.a. and the exciting extra is that this pays for an annual event (in the USA?).

My first impressions are, I'm afraid, somewhat negative. Far from an exciting new strategy announcement, it all smacks somewhat of desperation.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Mike Lyons - 10 Apr 08:43PM
^What he said.

I do not want to work 'in the cloud'. I don't give a rat's ass what they tell us, 'in the cloud' is still much less safe than 'on a separate hard drive, with extra copies in different locations'. And nobody has access to it but me unless I give them permission.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 10 Apr 09:02PM
Thanks for the early feedback on Philip's post. None of what Philip wrote is set in stone for Sibelius, of course, but I can assure you that Sibelius and your files won't be up in the cloud and you won't be forced to move away from your current workflows.

The plans for Media Composer subscriptions are flexible enough to allow you to be on a monthly programme or pay for each major version and upgrades after that (as with Sibelius today). It'll be a long time until Sibelius adopts this system and we'll make sure that we have something that fits everyone's needs.

Sam

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Fraser Sims - 10 Apr 10:10PM
You mention Microsoft but Adobe are also majoring on monthly revenue with their CS suite. I notice that iOS scorch is rebranded Sibelius reader but to me, rebranding doesn't do anything for a punter who wants to use a product. I was happy with g7 until I needed to PDF. I will survive with sib 7 until forced by the operating system to upgrade. By then it will be interesting to see if the monthly account and cloud has worked or failed due to people like me who want a license and ownership of a tangible bit of software. Interesting times. But iOS scorch is pants and Sibelius reader needs to be really good else it will be an irrelevance and we performers continue with the abundant products designed for PDF scores of which there are some absolute world class products.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Jim Druckenmiller - 10 Apr 11:37PM (edited 10 Apr 11:39PM)
link to... AVID Everywhere - A Vision for the Future of the Media Industry, aka - their white paper.
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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Peter Roos - 11 Apr 01:09AM
I actually don't view this as negative - the reality is that Sibelius is a product division of Avid, and they are trying to incorporate this into their overall corporate vision, which is to be a leader in content creation.

Avid is facing a lot of challenges, and I don't just mean getting the number straights (hello 10K restatement - Louis? Louis? where are we on that?). The entire industry is changing and Avid is in the midst of it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Philip R - 11 Apr 01:39AM
I've updated the post with some additional comments from Andrew Wild, and also to clarify that the scenarios I've envisioned for the future of Sibelius are purely of my own imagination, as an independent user, based upon what we know so far about the intent behind Avid Everywhere.

If it were to work properly, I could see value for users in the marketplace and cloud-based scenarios I speculated about. But again, those were purely my own ideas, and I have no idea if or when such features would ever actually come to a future version of Sibelius.

Andrew, and Sam above, were quite clear in there that there were no plans to force anyone to use the cloud.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Mike Lyons - 11 Apr 07:00AM
This is definitely, for me, a negative step.

I don't want to find myself in the situation where I have to buy a version of pro-tools in order to access certain features of Sibelius. I already have Cubase to use for DAW things. Although Rewire doesn't work very well, it's enough for me to get by with. I can see where Avid are trying to pitch their products at big production companies and film studios etc, but that leaves all the small composers like me out in the cold.

There's also another issue. The idea of a software suite that can do everything! "Jack of all trades, master of none" springs to mind. We've already seen how certain 'advanced' features in Sibelius have caused a disimprovement in functionality (the whole of the Sib 5 disaster, loss of video sync in Sib 7, loss of fast recording etc.)

To me, the future looks bleak!

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Apr 11:33AM
The "master of none" rot set in when playback in Sibelius first moved from "aural proof-read" towards "performance".

A vociferous section of the current market badly wants more of ProTools in Sibelius. A smaller section wants more of Sibelius in ProTools' Score Edit page.
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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 11 Apr 02:07PM
Honestly, I'm forced to use General MIDI playback if using anything at all these days because the default playback engines slow everything else down too much.

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Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible future direction of Sibelius
Posted by Peter Roos - 13 Apr 12:46PM
There's one thing I am a bit skeptical about, which is the 'Avid Everywhere' concept of collaborating online in real time across great distances. Perhaps the technology has made dramatic improvements over the past few years but I can recall a presentation by a number of researchers (Stanford, other universities as well) about online real time live music collaborations and performances. The big issue there is latency and the inherent slowness of networks. If players are connected and a long distance away (e.g. East Coast versus West Coast, or even across continents) then for slow, sustained music it works well enough, but when eg you have a fast moving jazz piece the latency really becomes noticeable and it's very difficult to play together.

All this has little if anything to do with notation, of course.

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Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the possible... - Philip R, 10 Apr 12:38PM
     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - philj, 10 Apr 07:44PM
         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Mike Lyons, 10 Apr 08:43PM
             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Sam at Sibelius, 10 Apr 09:02PM
                 Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Fraser Sims, 10 Apr 10:10PM
     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Jim Druckenmiller, 10 Apr 11:37PM
         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Peter Roos, 11 Apr 01:09AM
             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Philip R, 11 Apr 01:39AM
                 Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Mike Lyons, 11 Apr 07:00AM
                     Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 11:33AM
                         Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Justin at Sibelius, 11 Apr 02:07PM
                             Re: Sibelius Blog: Avid Everywhere and the poss... - Peter Roos, 13 Apr 12:46PM