'Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks'

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Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Richard Mix, 27 Jun 06:34AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Jody Hughes, 27 Jun 07:45AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Richard Mix, 29 Jun 10:39AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Peter Castine, 02 Jul 06:15AM

Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks
Posted by Richard Mix - 27 Jun 06:34AM
I'm trying to get rid of vestigial ties at the beginning of a system following a first repeat ending (this would also be a problem with l. v. notes). It seems impossible to grab and shorten the continuation or to hide it, and it seems unaffected by anything done to the right hand of the system above... Do I need to make some new kind of line?
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks
Posted by Jody Hughes - 27 Jun 07:45AM
Hi there

You have a couple of options.

One is to use non-magnetic slurs, shaped and placed manually to resemble ties. (With nothing selected, choose a slur from the Lines menu and then click to place it in the score. You will probably find it easiest to do this in Panorama mode, to avoid it running over the system break, at least initially.)

Another is to make a hidden tuplet out of the last note, e.g. if it is a crotchet, turn it into a crotchet tied to a semiquaver. Then hide the semiquaver. Now the tie won't project over the system break. There is, I think, a downloadable plug-in that does this for you.

For l.v. ties, there is a symbol that can be used (and I think a downloadable plug-in that will automate this for you).

Hope that helps
Jeremy
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks
Posted by Richard Mix - 29 Jun 10:39AM
Thanks! The hidden tuplet I've had to use for trill termination grace notes before, so I'm curious about the plug-in.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks
Posted by Peter Castine - 02 Jul 06:15AM
There are two plug-ins dealing with l.v. The one Jeremy is referring to is called "LV Fake" and is on the "Notes and Rests" page of the plug-in section.

There's also a plug-in that simply adds l.v. symbols to notes: <http://www.sibelius.com/download/plugins/index.html?plugin=417>. I haven't tried this yet, because I tend to find the l.v. symbols a bit on the small side (OTOH, they're uniform, whereas when faking l.v. symbols with ties, you can sometimes get big variations in the length of the ties).
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Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Richard Mix, 27 Jun 06:34AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Jody Hughes, 27 Jun 07:45AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Richard Mix, 29 Jun 10:39AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: tie ends and system breaks - Peter Castine, 02 Jul 06:15AM