'Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde'

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Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 07:41AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Derek Bourgeois, 12 Feb 09:15AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Richard Hatton, 12 Feb 10:17AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 10:47AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Bob Zawalich, 12 Feb 05:22PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 07:57PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Bob Zawalich, 12 Feb 08:32PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Andrea Ravizza, 23 Feb 10:54PM

Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Roger W - 12 Feb 07:41AM
In Sibelius 6 there is a retrograde plug-in that creates a new score with everything (including bars and time signatures) in the reversed order. In Sibelius 7 Retrograde Pitches and Rhythms does not reverse the time signatures and thus easily leads to the "tuplet would cross a barline" problem, in which case it stuffs everything into a single bar. Is there a Retrograde plug-in for Sib 7 that would work more like the retrograde plug-in in Sib 6?

Roger
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 12 Feb 09:15AM
Maybe Bob Z can help.

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Derek Bourgeois, Dorset UK
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Richard Hatton - 12 Feb 10:17AM
As a workaround, you could export a Sib 6 file if you still have sibelius 6 installed and active, then run the plug-in in Sib 6, finally save and then re-open in Sib 7

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Richard Hatton
Sibelius 7.1.3 ,Photoscore Ult. 7.0.2; Windows 7 64 bit; quad core i7, 16GB ram; core I5, 8 GB ram also with Sibelius 6 and Photoscore 6.1.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Roger W - 12 Feb 10:47AM
Thank you for the replies. This question came up on another forum and I was surprised to see this functionality removed from Sib 7, so I was just checking in here to see if the plug-in was still available somewhere. I can indeed export to Sib 6 if I ever feel like going backwards.

Roger
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 12 Feb 05:22PM (edited 12 Feb 06:36PM)
Due to a quirk in the way that the Transform plugins are added to the Ribbon in the Note Input tab, plugins that are not listed that way but exist in the Transformations folder do not appear in the "more" menu, or any other plugin menu.

This affects the Retrograde plugin, which is equivalent to the older Retrograde plugins in Sib 6 and earlier that create a separate score. The other Retrograde plugins all do the retrograde function "in line".

The functionality is not removed from Sibelius 7, but to access the plugin you need to assign a shortcut to Retrograde in File > Preferences >Keyboard Shortcuts> Plugins.

If you do that you will have access to it in Sib 7.

It would be good for future versions of Sibelius if the Retrograde plugin were added to list of retrograde functions, or at least to the "more" submenu in the Transformations tab.





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Bob

Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Roger W - 12 Feb 07:57PM
Thank you Bob! This is most interesting and good to know, in case I am missing some other old plugin!

Roger
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 12 Feb 08:32PM
The ones in Transformations are really the only odd ones. There is no separate Transformations menu in the Ribbon, and if you add plugins to the Transformations folder, they will not appear in any menu in Sibelius, though they are accessible by shortcuts, or by something like the Run Plugins By Name plugin.

Normally if you (or Sibelius) adds a plugin to a folder that is a subfolder of the Plugins folder, it will appear in the Plugin menu with the same name as the folder.

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Bob

Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde
Posted by Andrea Ravizza - 23 Feb 10:54PM
Hi everyone.
I found that workaround to implement the plugins that Bob discovered. I found the original plugins inside the Sibelius 7.5 package. I copied them in my custom plugin folder (inside of another folder, called transform). The trick is: the plugins name has to be changed. I added some characters to every name. Invert.plg -> And-invert.plg. Now they are found in the home tab of the ribbon.

Andrea

Sib 7.5 Mac Osx 10.9 - 64bit 32GB RAM
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Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 07:41AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Derek Bourgeois, 12 Feb 09:15AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Richard Hatton, 12 Feb 10:17AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 10:47AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Bob Zawalich, 12 Feb 05:22PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Roger W, 12 Feb 07:57PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Bob Zawalich, 12 Feb 08:32PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Retrograde - Andrea Ravizza, 23 Feb 10:54PM