Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Tony Cliff - 09 Nov 11:36AM Hide picture Just received this fascinating email which sheds more light on the loss of the London office team and also tells us where Daniel will be employed: New Steinberg Research & Development office in London for professional music notation and education software HAMBURG, Germany — November 9, 2012 — Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH announced today that it is establishing an R&D center in London, United Kingdom, to focus on developing software for the music notation and education markets. Marketing director at Steinberg, Frank Simmerlein, comments: “Steinberg has a good standing in both the education and composing markets, but we’ve always believed that these markets and its customers deserve the best support we can give. Therefore we are more than delighted to have found the perfect team of extremely talented and experienced individuals to make this possible in the foreseeable future.” Ben Timms, head of Steinberg’s new London-based R&D team, remarks: “I’m delighted and proud that we are becoming part of the Steinberg family. Our collective expertise combined with Steinberg’s world-leading products and technologies can only mean exciting things for the customers.” “As musicians, we are very excited to be joining Steinberg, a company whose unrivaled tradition of ground-breaking technologies we have always admired. As a development team, we are looking forward to bringing our extensive experience to bear on a new generation of products, designed by musicians for musicians,” adds Daniel Spreadbury, new product marketing manager for Steinberg. The London-based office begins its operation in the middle of November this year. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 09 Nov 11:44AM Hide picture I guess it's the old team under a new name. It sounds very exciting, but I wonder were it will leave Sibelius. It certainly highlights Avid's total stupidity and I guess it will serve them right if this pulls the rug from under their feet! -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD), Sibelius 7.1.3, Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. Living in UK Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Nov 11:57AM Hide picture Many years ago, I spent quite a lot of money on Masterscore, a notation program for the Atari ST from Steinberg. I wonder if an upgrade path is still open? :-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Jesper Elén - 09 Nov 11:57AM Hide picture Yes, I see Daniel has an updated linkedin profile. Stupid Avid. Jesper Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Roy Moore - 09 Nov 12:09PM Hide picture Interesting times: Cubase+New Notation Software against Pro Tools+Sibelius. -- Roy Moore Sib 7.1.3,Windows 7 SP 1 pro x64 8gb ram,2x quad core 2.5ghz , Audiophile 2496, JABB 3, GPO 4, Rock & Pop, Garritan Steinway, EWQLSO platinum Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Chris Wimlett - 09 Nov 12:31PM Hide picture This is wondeful news for Cubase users, which has done extremely well under Yamaha, and such great news for Daniel. What a powerful piece of software Cubase with an improved score editor will be! -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.8.2, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Nov 12:55PM Hide picture We could dream of even more interesting possibilities... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by petey forrest - 09 Nov 01:19PM Hide picture I predict a new score program coming down the pike... HANDEL hehe! Petey -- Sibelius 7.1.3, Win7 (64-bit) http://www.ukulelenorth.ca Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Bob Morabito - 09 Nov 01:23PM Hide picture If that came true, I wonder if Avid could HANDEL that!:) All the best to Daniel and the team! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by petey forrest - 10 Nov 12:19PM Hide picture > If that came true, I wonder if Avid could HANDEL that!:) From what I've read in this same thread below, it looks like they'll have no choice. Project Handel or Händel seems unstoppable! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by sakari lindhen - 09 Nov 01:22PM Hide picture Cubase 6.5's notation editor is a great deal more complex than previous versions, they have been going in the direction of developing it into a sophisticated composition tool. With the addition of Daniel's team, it would seem to have great possibilities. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, Reason 3, GPO, JABB, Cubase Artist 6.5, Win 7 64 Nord Stage 2, Roland TD9+6v Guitars, basses, Pod XTL, Gt-10B three shelter cats Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Neil Sands - 09 Nov 01:51PM Hide picture Here's my take on this (like you care!): http://chichestermusicpress.wordpress.com/?p=379 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Ronald Pearl - 09 Nov 01:57PM Hide picture Sounds promising! The best part is that Daniel has landed on his feet, and is off to other (and possibly greener) pastures. Let's hope that whatever program develops, it has the capability of importing Sib files. I have a feeling that in a few years we may be needing that... -- Ron Pearl 7.1.2 http://www.ronaldmpearl.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Michael Kilpatrick - 09 Nov 02:16PM Hide picture Yes, but how long is it going to take Steinberg to get a new product off the ground? And where does that leave Sibelius users if its future turns out to have been ruined by an Avid unable to find the expertise to take it further, and a competing product that eats into the market share in a couple of years' time? Admittedly this could be three or four years down the line, but one outcome could be that Sibelius becomes something which ultimately has to be replaced by a new product - with a brand new licence at full price because there will be little incentive for Steinberg to offer crossgrade discounts if Sibelius is no longer under development as a competing product and has a slowly dwindling user base. Michael Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Nov 02:21PM Hide picture It can be tricky when somebody company-hops within the same industry. I've been looking at the list of patents with Daniel listed as co-inventor, but Avid as assignees. http://www.linkedin.com/in/dspreadbury Interesting that Daniel has been taken on as "Product Marketing Manager" not as a product designer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 09 Nov 02:19PM Hide picture > Let's hope that whatever program develops, it has the capability of importing Sib files. I suspect that the file format is legally protected and I can't see Avid agreeing to licence it to Steinberg. I reckon that only if Avid goes under will the Sibelius file format become up for grabs. -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD), Sibelius 7.1.3, Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. Living in UK Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by John Murdoch - 09 Nov 02:33PM Hide picture Michael, Derek-- It would be pointless to write an import filter for Sibelius files--there are legal issues (particularly because the people writing the import routines would likely be former Avid employees), but more importantly there is MusicXML. If you're not on Sib 7, upgrade--from Sib 7 you can export your score into MusicXML, which makes your score readable by anybody: Finale, Notion, etc. If you want to stick with Sib 6, get Dolet. Either way, the way forward for Sibelius users will be considerably safer if you have the ability to convert your scores to MusicXML. -- Sibelius 2 - 7.1 | Hauptwerk 4 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Intel i5 quad CPU, 8 GB RAM | M-Audio Fast Track C600 Keurig B60 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Chris Wimlett - 09 Nov 03:19PM Hide picture Yes, looking at this it again it seems that Steinberg might develop new software, presumably closely integrated with Cubase. Personally, I'm glad that Daniel and team have fallen on their feet after their appalling treatment by Avid, and that I don't depend on Sibelius to make a living. Interesting times ahead, particularly if the promised investment in developing Finale materialises. Two notation programmes vs a Pro Tools film scoring plugin. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.8.2, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Mats - 09 Nov 03:23PM Hide picture For a pro engraver (making pro editions) there is hours to be spent fixing all the things MusicXML mess up. For 'home' publishers it might be good. New software - Have anyone seen any contenders to Word or InDesign lately? But, competition is never bad. It is welcome. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Nov 03:46PM Hide picture > It would be pointless to write an import filter for Sibelius files--there are legal issues (particularly because the people writing the import routines would likely be former Avid employees), but more importantly there is MusicXML. Yes, we should all be aware of MusicXML. It will transfer your music to another program. It won't quite transfer your scores, as anyone who uses it will testify. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Mr. Larry - 09 Nov 04:37PM Hide picture I am happy for Daniel. This is a clear demonstration of the utter stupidity of Avid. How can you let your most valuable assets walk out the door right to a competitor? I expect senior management at Avid to grunting a big Homer Simpson "Duh" about now. -- LMPaule Sibelius 7 multiple Mac's Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by David O'Rourke - 09 Nov 04:50PM Hide picture I am very interested to see what Daniel and team do away from the shackles of Avid along with the fact that they would be building from the ground up! David -- David O'Rourke iMac 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7, 8GB 1333 MHz DDR3 MacBook Pro, 2.2 Ghz Intel Core Duo, 2 GB 10.6.2 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Jesper Elén - 09 Nov 04:55PM Hide picture No, they are probably to stupid to understand what they did. Not Homer Simson, more like Peter in Family Guy. Jesper Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Peter Roos - 09 Nov 05:11PM Hide picture That's very interesting news - Steinberg are the guys who brought us not just Cubase but the VST standard which is now universally used for virtual instruments, except of course by Pro Tools. ;-) Good luck to the new team and I look forward to the developments from their new office. -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Nov 05:57PM Hide picture I see the assumptions about what this team will be doing are solidifing nicely! :-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Ronald Pearl - 09 Nov 06:07PM Hide picture One thing we can probably expect is that whatever software emerges, it will likely have a ribbon...;>) -- Ron Pearl 7.1.2 http://www.ronaldmpearl.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Mats - 09 Nov 08:13PM Hide picture Possibly we can get correct notation of accidentals and slurs :) Unless supporting 5000 different sounds cards is of higher priority ;) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Rob Tuley - 09 Nov 09:20PM Hide picture Oh, the irony. Yamaha bought Steinberg from Pinnacle Systems back in 2005. And guess who then bought the rest of Punnacle? Avid. But given the Steinberg press release's comments about "education and composing markets" (not "music engraving"), I'm not going to hold my breath for a couple of years while they figure out how to write a Sibelius-style score viewer (with no real editing capability outside of the sequencer) as a VST plugin. -- Rob Sib 4.1, WinXP, 2Gb. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Richard Vitale - 09 Nov 09:36PM (edited 09 Nov 09:36PM) Hide picture I guess I'll have to get used to not seeing purple on the Chat Line and on my scores once I jump ship. That shouldn't be too hard :-) -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.2 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.facebook.com/SaveSibelius http://www.richievitale.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Chris Wimlett - 09 Nov 10:04PM Hide picture Steinberg use quite a tasteful mix of grey and red on their forums, quite soothing really ;-) -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.8.2, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Scott Cameron - 09 Nov 10:22PM Hide picture From Daniel's Twitter feed: "We will indeed be creating brand new notation software from scratch. Daunting, but exciting!" Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Claude Lapalme - 09 Nov 11:04PM Hide picture I'm very excited about that since I can still use Sibelius 7 until this new product is truly up to snuff. Which will take a while. The head of that new R&D dept. used to be the head of engineering for Sibelius. This is very positive. A new player in this field is probably a good thing, especially coming from that team. It promises to be original. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Chris Wimlett - 10 Nov 08:49AM (edited 10 Nov 08:50AM) Hide picture To start with a clean slate and the proper resources is every software developer's dream (I was only once in that position, albeit on a much smaller project), and as Claude says we can afford to wait. Sibelius 7 should be good for for a year or so, and we don't have to give any money to Avid in the meantime. I certainly intend to be an early adopter of the new software though. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.8.2, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Jesper Elén - 10 Nov 08:56AM Hide picture Sound like a good plan Chris, no more money to Avid, at least not with Gary Greenfield running the show. Jesper Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Kim Bastin - 10 Nov 09:56AM Hide picture "We will indeed be creating brand new notation software from scratch. Daunting, but exciting!" That’s excellent news, and who could do it better? -- Kim Bastin, Melbourne, Australia Pianist, music editor, translator (prefers masculine pronouns) Sib 7.1.3 WinXP 3.4GHz 2GB :) Integrated SoundBlaster Audigy Advanced + Roland EP-50 :( Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 10 Nov 10:27AM Hide picture From the entries in this thread it seems that Avid can expect a mass exodus as users jump ship to the new software when it appears. Perhaps Avid could sell Sibelius to Steinberg, not so much for Steinberg to continue developing Sibelius, but to make the Sibelius files readable by the new software. This would ensure a huge migration. Lemmings has always been my favourite computer game :>) -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD), Sibelius 7.1.3, Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. Living in UK Attachment lemmings.PNG.png (21K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Stephen Wrigley - 10 Nov 10:38AM Hide picture All good news. Time to start a feature request list yet?! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 10 Nov 11:00AM Hide picture > All good news. Time to start a feature request list yet?! Avid's going to love us for that! -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD), Sibelius 7.1.3, Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. Living in UK Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Stephen Wrigley - 10 Nov 12:38PM Hide picture Well, we could race them! Avid vs Steinberg, see who gets there first. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Chris Wimlett - 10 Nov 12:51PM Hide picture Selling Sibelius to Steinberg, especially if the support team could move over to SB, would be a great option and would indeed Save Sibelius. But then it's intriguing to see what Daniel & team will come up with, and at least the spirit of e Finn's Sibelius will now live on. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.8.2, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: Very interesting news Posted by Michael Rivers - 11 Nov 07:04PM Hide picture This is just about the best resolution to the situation I can imagine. The excellent Sibelius team lands intact and gets to start fresh on new notation software. I hope they get a well-deserved pay increase too. Back to top | All threads