'Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?'

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Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) ... - Loch, 16 Apr 07:37AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 16 Apr 08:29AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Richard Vitale, 16 Apr 10:32PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:32AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:35AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:36AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:40AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:42AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:57AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 16 Apr 09:10AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - John Murdoch, 16 Apr 04:47PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Martin P. Kellogg, 16 Apr 09:44PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 11:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Mike Lyons, 17 Apr 05:43AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 17 Apr 09:11AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Bob Porter, 17 Apr 12:05PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 18 Apr 08:30AM

Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Loch - 16 Apr 07:37AM
I can only see where you set up score tempo at the beginning. Am thinking of a situation where tempo changes from Largo to Vivace in the middle of a piece.

Thx.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Apr 08:29AM
Try typing "Vivace" in Tempo Text at the point you want tempo to change. Or you can enter an explicit mm marking using Metronome Mark text.

In either case, R-click where you want it to go, choose Text, then the type of text you want from the menu. Amother R-click will bring up a palette of possibilities.

The Quick Start process can get you off to a ... quick start! But in some ways it's limiting - it encourages beginners to think it's the ONLY way to insert a Title, Composer, Tempo marking etc.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Richard Vitale - 16 Apr 10:32PM
> In either case, R-click where you want it to go, choose Text, then the type of text you want from the menu. Amother R-click will bring up a palette of possibilities.>

Hmm, right-clicking on a Score brings up the resulting menu in the screenshot.

There is NO "Text" in that contextual menu for me on Mac.

I can however, use right-click AFTER creating Tempo text for a menu of useful words.

Why do I not get "Text" in the contextual menu as Laurence does?

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 16 Apr 08:32AM
Go to the Text tab, and open the Styles gallery, which may appear either as a single button or an in-ribbon gallery (depending on the width of your window or display), and you'll see a cell in the grid labeled 'Tempo'. Click this to create a Tempo text object: if you had something selected before you clicked in the Styles gallery, the cursor appears automatically at the place you selected; if you didn't have a selection, the mouse pointer turns blue so that you can click to create text where you want it to appear.

If you haven't worked through the tutorials or at least read 'Working with text' in the on-screen Sibelius Reference Guide, I strongly recommend that you do so.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Loch - 16 Apr 08:35AM
Truly losing my mind after only 3 days with this software as I'm now anwering my own questions. Found the plug-in where you click 12 times just so you can then manually enter the precise number you wanted in the first place. Geez, why is simple, expected functionality a plug-in, and a silly one at that? Don't like the fact I can't drag the playback line over a score to hear one beat either. That's a great function since it's like four hands on a piano to hear a range of notes from double bass to piccolo......

Am I going to get use to this? Lot's of extavagant features, but missing some very simple, basic stuff.

My opinion.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 16 Apr 08:40AM
Scott, I strongly recommend you take an hour or two to work through just the first couple of projects in the tutorials, as they will help you to get out of the mindset of the previous software you have used and introduce you to the handful of concepts you need to understand to start to find your way around the program.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Loch - 16 Apr 08:42AM
From what I've read, entering the tempo "text" does not change the tempo in playback. Am I wrong? This is why I specified playback in the question.

Am working through the tutorials but get ahead of myself at times.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 16 Apr 08:57AM
Tempo text does change the playback tempo, though you have to type in a word that Sibelius knows the meaning of. The "meanings" are specified in Play > Interpretation > Dictionary, on the System Text page.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Apr 09:10AM (edited 16 Apr 09:11AM)
> Truly losing my mind after only 3 days with this software as I'm now anwering my own questions. Found the plug-in where you click 12 times just so you can then manually enter the precise number you wanted in the first place. Geez, why is simple, expected functionality a plug-in, and a silly one at that? Don't like the fact I can't drag the playback line over a score to hear one beat either. That's a great function since it's like four hands on a piano to hear a range of notes from double bass to piccolo......
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> Am I going to get use to this? Lot's of extavagant features, but missing some very simple, basic stuff.

What plugin would that be? You've been offered two ways to enter Tempo or metronome Mark Text, through the R-click menu and through the Ribbon menu.

Anyway, after 3 days you SHOULD have started finding your way round Sibelius, and be answering your own questions!

Do remember, though, that you've bought a strongly notation-based score publishing program that does playback. If you want a playback-based sequencer with a Score Edit page, move over to Cubase or a similar sequencer.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by John Murdoch - 16 Apr 04:47PM
Scott--

Not to trigger a flame war, but Sibelius was originally designed to keep your hands on the keyboard, and off the mouse. So there are tons and tons and tons of keyboard shortcuts that can be helpful.

In particular: to move the playback line, click on a note. Type Y. That moves the playback line to that note. To re-position the score to where the playback line is, type SHIFT-Y. If you want to leave the playback line alone, and just restart playback from a selected note (or even a selected lyric attached to a note), type P.

The ribbon UI is new, and makes Sibelius more accessible to new users. The old-timers all have the keyboard shortcuts memorized, so we can chat with each other with cryptic command sequences, secret handshakes, and so forth.

Another month or two, and you'll be eligible for the secret tattoo. 8-)

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Martin P. Kellogg - 16 Apr 09:44PM
> What plugin would that be?

Set Metronome Mark (home>plug-ins>other). It's quite useful for matching a beat you're hearing (for real or in your head).

I regularly use a similar feature in GoldWave.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Loch - 16 Apr 11:35PM
Thanks John, those shortctuts are winners for playback. No war here, starting work on new software and having trouble finding specific tasks in the Ref Guide don't mix well with working on taxes. Looking forward to the secret tattoo - (wow). And yes Martin, that's the plugin our Cubase advocate was looking for. After the 12 clicks you can also just go ahead and enter a number regardless. :-) Also a good test to see how your inner metronome is doing.

Oops, gotta go. Back to the tutorials. Daniel is the boss, and a good one at that.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Mike Lyons - 17 Apr 05:43AM (edited 17 Apr 05:46AM)
With the right click thing - if you r-click oin an blank part of the page away from your selection, you will get a different r-click menu than if you r-click on your selection. See Screenshots.

You *must* use a system text style (Tempo or MM) for the text to affect the tempo.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Apr 09:11AM
Yup. R-click is clever. Whatever you R-click on (including empty space) it's a fair chance that the thing you want to do will come up in the menu. R-click is a primary resource, not an advanced "geek" option!

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Bob Porter - 17 Apr 12:05PM
Scott, allow me to muddle things up. Mike said it; select the note where you want the tempo to change. Move the mouse away from the note. Right click, select Text, select Metronome mark (or Tempo). Now you can either type "q = (your tempo here)", or right click and select a note from the pop up (followed by " = (your tempo here)").


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Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) in the middle of a score for playback?
Posted by Loch - 18 Apr 08:30AM
Yes thx Bob, I found that out by trial and error. R-clicking above the note will get you the menu you need. (the q was new to me though) Either that or start with Text/Styles on the ribbon then select note. Got it. Shortcut city - knew I bought this hitherto unused blutooth keyboard with numberpad for a reason.

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Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metronome) ... - Loch, 16 Apr 07:37AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 16 Apr 08:29AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Richard Vitale, 16 Apr 10:32PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:32AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:35AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:36AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:40AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 08:42AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 16 Apr 08:57AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 16 Apr 09:10AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - John Murdoch, 16 Apr 04:47PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Martin P. Kellogg, 16 Apr 09:44PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 16 Apr 11:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Mike Lyons, 17 Apr 05:43AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Laurence Payne, 17 Apr 09:11AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Bob Porter, 17 Apr 12:05PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Can you change the tempo (metrono... - Loch, 18 Apr 08:30AM