'Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam'

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Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 01:24PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Laurence Payne, 20 Feb 01:34PM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Laurence Payne, 20 Feb 01:34PM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 02:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:21PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:24PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 02:32PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:37PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jesper Elén, 20 Feb 02:45PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 06:39PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 07:56PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Wim Hoogewerf, 20 Feb 09:54PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 21 Feb 07:01PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 21 Feb 07:34PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 14 Mar 04:34PM

Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 20 Feb 01:24PM
Dear all,

I'm currently copying a piece composed in 2010 which asks me to draw the beams of quaver, semiquaver, demisemi etc ... horizontally and as a straight line.

I tried multiple things like using symbol of a half bar rest on the top of the hidden beam but it is not satisfactory.
Does anybody of you know how I could solve this?

Thanks a lot

M. G.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Laurence Payne - 20 Feb 01:34PM
I'd be looking for a music font that drew the flags in that way, or using a font editor on an existing one. What's your deadline?

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Laurence Payne - 20 Feb 01:34PM


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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 20 Feb 02:06PM
By now I'm using the Plantino fond (the default one), I have just started so let's say that the deadline could be in a couple of months. The piece has three movements, it's extremely complex, notationally speaking, so it will require a lot of time anyway.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 20 Feb 02:21PM
Hi

Yes, presume you mean flags not beams. I would ask the client to change this to normal flags.

You can edit the symbols that Sibelius uses for the various flags to be whatever you like. It takes a bit of time and you need to be careful to exactly replicate the interdependencies that Sibelius has between the various symbols, or you'll get bits of stems sticking up or down past your flags.

(To clarify: As an example: the '32nd flag up' (Sibelius's name) is not made up of three symbols, but of an 'Extra flag up' symbol on top of a '16th flag up' symbol that must be offset 0.75sp down. The 'Extra flag up' must be oriented to hang from the midline.)

Provided you keep carefully to this scheme, you should be okay. Your first task is to find a symbol that will be the right size and shape for the beamlets.

Hope that helps
Jeremy
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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 20 Feb 02:24PM (edited 20 Feb 02:29PM)
P.S. Here's one I made earlier. I used two tenutos to make the beamlets. Edit: I should add it's by no means perfect, just gives an idea.

J
Attachment Flagbeamlets.sib (38K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 20 Feb 02:32PM
I will ask him if he is keen on changing the assignment to a normal flag.
I will attend a course that will provide me with all I should ever know in Sibelius and I will ask the teacher to explain me how to create this.

I am sorry I cannot open your attachment, Safari downloads a text file with nothing inside instead ... But in theory I could also create the symbol and attach it to a hidden flag.
Or could I modify the flag only for this document so that it looks like what I need?

Do I risk to put everything out of place in the Sibelius fonts settings?

thanks

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 20 Feb 02:37PM
Hi

The changes you'd make are only within the one file, and won't mess with any fonts or other files.

I sent you the file by email. It looks like this (pic attached).

Jeremy
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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jesper Elén - 20 Feb 02:45PM
There is a font called Boulez that has some nice straight flags, well not straight horizontally but non curved. See image.

Jesper
Attachment Boulez.png (145K)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 20 Feb 06:39PM
Thanks a lot Jeremy for your help, the document arrived and it's great!
Now how could I add that alternative stem-flag to my document?

Also the Boulez font is interesting, but on the manuscript I have a straight one.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 20 Feb 07:56PM
If you've not hardly started, then I would export a house style from my file and import it into yours. If you were nearly done, then I think I would re-do the work in your file from scratch, to avoid other changes from the house style.

But I would not be happy with the beam as it is, I think it needs some tweaking. It will be more obvious when printed at high resolution.

Jeremy
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Sibelius 7.1 | iMac 3.2GHz i3 | OS X Version 10.6.8 Snow Leopard

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 20 Feb 09:54PM
Very well done, Jeremy! Certainly a good solution for Michele's problem.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 21 Feb 07:01PM
I would really like to learn how to do such a thing ... Is it really complex to do and/or to explain?

By now thank you very much, Jeremy, I'll see how to implement that because the composer has a contract already with a publishing house and I think he will not accept something that is not really looking good!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 21 Feb 07:34PM
Hi Michele

If there is a publishing house involved, I'd urge you (and the composer) to use the house style of the publisher. Ask them. If they're a decent one, the style almost certainly won't involve beamlets, so you won't have to do it. Everyone's a winner!

Jeremy
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music editor/engraver
Sibelius 7.1 | iMac 3.2GHz i3 | OS X Version 10.6.8 Snow Leopard

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Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam
Posted by Michele Galvagno - 14 Mar 04:34PM
Dear Jeremy and alls,

I apologize for my late answer!
I think I found the right symbol and way to do that:
in Symbols (Z) I look for '8th flag up', I press 'edit' and change the main symbol with the 'half rest' or 'whole rest' one. For 16th and 32th I just have to pay attention to which symbol use for the main symbol and then I just add the rest.

Thank you so much for your help, hope this will help many others!
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Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 01:24PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Laurence Payne, 20 Feb 01:34PM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Laurence Payne, 20 Feb 01:34PM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 02:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:21PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:24PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 02:32PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 02:37PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jesper Elén, 20 Feb 02:45PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 20 Feb 06:39PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 20 Feb 07:56PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Wim Hoogewerf, 20 Feb 09:54PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 21 Feb 07:01PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Jeremy Hughes, 21 Feb 07:34PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: COntemporary music beam - Michele Galvagno, 14 Mar 04:34PM