Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Hannes Vanlancker - 20 Dec 01:52PM Hide picture I have a font problem when exporting my scores to PDF. For my publisher, I have to use Tahoma for the composer and arranger's name. In Sibelius, the arranger's name shows fine in Italic. But when I export to PDF or Print to PDF (in MAC OS X) the arranger's name appears to be too italic... (see attached image, don't mind the quality of the exported PDF, but the font being over-italic is well visible) I have no other problems regarding other font settings (regular or bold) when exporting to PDF. So far, I haven't found a solution. Is this a typical problem on MAC OS X, or just a problem with Tahoma? Thanks in advance. Hannes Attachment ItalicFontProblem.jpg (96K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Hannes Vanlancker - 20 Dec 02:22PM Hide picture I should have first searched the internet... So it appears that Tahoma for MAC and WIN just developed a regular and bold subfont. Italic isn't even available. Does anyone know then why Sibelius does offer it in the font list? You can find Tahoma Italic on the internet, but you'll have to pay 30 USD. I've found a free version online: Tahoma Faux Italic and Tahoma Faux Bold Italic. Installing these fonts added 2 more possibilities in the subfont menu in Sibelius. My problem was instantly solved. Spread the word to all Mac-users! Hannes Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 20 Dec 02:26PM Hide picture Thanks for reporting this, Hannes. I can reproduce the issue, and we'll look into it. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Christopher Mayo - 07 Jan 06:52PM Hide picture Is there any further info on this problem? I've just had the same issue with the font "Union". Title and Composer (which are non-italic in the score) appear as italic in the PDF, measure numbers and expression text (italic in the score) appear doubly italic in the PDF, but Tempo text, Fingering text unaffected (non-italic in both), can upload if it's helpful. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 07 Jan 09:30PM Hide picture It would be useful if you could email me the Union fonts and an example .sib and .pdf file, Christopher. Thanks. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Mark Bartschi - 20 Apr 02:04PM Hide picture I have experienced the same results with a number of fonts, and the problem continues at least as far as 2019.4 which I'm running now. It seems that Sibelius will use the native bold, italic, and bold+italic styles of a font if they are installed. If they are not installed, Sibelius will apply "Faux Bold" and "Faux Italic" similar to what Photoshop can do. These results are fairly good quality when viewing the score in Sibelius, but they render very poorly to PDF - the kerning and skew can be way off. Obviously it would be great if the PDF rendering engine could be enhanced to more faithfully reproduce faux styles. In the meantime, an easier enhancement would be for Sibelius to specify "Faux Bold", "Faux Italic", and "Faux Bold Italic" in the style drop-down if these variants are not natively installed. At least then, the user would be aware that Sibelius is fudging a style that doesn't really exist and quality might suffer, especially when exporting. If I saw that, it might lead me to choose a different font in the first place so I know the fidelity will be consistent with what the font designer intended. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Robin Walker - 20 Apr 02:31PM Hide picture > These results are fairly good quality when viewing the score in Sibelius, > but they render very poorly to PDF - the kerning and skew can be way off. It would be helpful if you could provide full reproduction materials (i.e. fonts and demonstration score files) and details for whatever problems remain in 2019.4. There should not be any differences between what appears on screen, and what gets exported to PDF. In the few cases that I have investigated, the "faux" variants are handled better in 2019.4 than they were in 2018.7. -- Sibelius 2019.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 2018.7, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop, and Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Mark Bartschi - 21 Apr 03:26AM (edited 21 Apr 03:46AM) Hide picture Certainly, I'll be happy to offer an example. I've attached the same page of a score three ways that uses Franklin Gothic Medium Cond with faux italic applied to the words "Cantor, All repeat" above the first staff: 1. A screen shot of the Sibelius editor. 2. A screen shot of the "Export to PDF" output. 3. The "Export to Graphics" output in each possible format. All of the raster formats (BMP, TIFF, and PNG) look identical, and PNG is the type of file I'm allowed to attach, so that's the one I posted. I took a screen shot of the file as opened in Acrobat for the PDF output, and a screenshot of the SVG as it appears in Photoshop and Microsoft Edge. To your point, the "Export to PDF" does a good job preserving the fidelity of the faux fonts compared to previous versions. The "Export to Graphics" output is inconsistent. The raster formats look good (BMP, TIF, and PNG), but the vector formats (PDF and SVG) have issues: - The SVG output looks like Franklin Gothic Demi Italic has been substituted when opened in Photoshop, but it looks right in Edge. So the font substitution may be occuring in Adobe's SVG import. (I need to open these files in Photoshop because I invert the colors so they can be projected on a wall.) - The PDF output uses the right font but has excessive skew and erratic kerning. In older versions of Sibelius, I would have used EPS when I needed transparent vector graphics, and that worked well, but the EPS format has been removed. I usually prefer exporting graphics to a vector format such as PDF, EPS, or SVG because they look better when they are scaled in other programs, and they preserve transparency in the background. (And I apologize for the small mess I created on this thread - I only realized after uploading each file as a separate reply that I can attach multiple files to the same reply by editing it. Now I can't seem to delete the extra replies. Lesson learned.) Attachments 1-SibeliusEditor.png (134K), 2-ExportPDFOutput.png (71K), 3-ExportGraphicsOutput-Raster.png (227K), 3-ExportGraphicsOutput-SVG-Edge.png (33K), 3-ExportGraphicsOutput-SVG-Photoshop.png (103K), 3-ExportGraphicsOutput-PDF.png (89K) Back to top | All threads

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Re: Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Apr 09:38AM Hide picture Thanks. Could you also attach your demonstration Sibelius score file, so that I can start from a known base. Could you e-mail me privately the font file (Franklin Gothic Medium Cond)) that you are using, so that I can guarantee using the same version as yours. e:mail: rdhw(at)cam.ac.uk -- Sibelius 2019.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 2018.7, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop, and Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Mark Bartschi - 21 Apr 09:51PM Hide picture Hi Robin, Thanks for your help! I have emailed you the font as requested and attached a Sibelius score that uses it. Mark Attachment 4th Sun of Easter - Entrance Antiphon.sib (33K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Posted by Kai Struck - 21 Apr 09:54AM Hide picture Wow, that are a lot of graphics. As I see it the normal PDF export is ok. I don't understand why the export-graphics-pdf is different. A lot depends on the used viewers. For further editing PDFs or SVGs I always recommend Inkscape. But for your mentioned purpose: "I need to open these files in Photoshop because I invert the colors so they can be projected on a wall" There is also the possibility to use Sumatra-PDF-Reader for that which can invert colors on the fly. https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader.html 2 ways to make it happen: you can invoke the viewer per commandline with SumatraPDF.exe -invert-colors Or you can edit the advanced settings in Sumatra directly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTYYk2W-Wk I tested it with a Sibelius PDF with the following easy edit: I changed this FixedPageUI [ TextColor = #000000 BackgroundColor = #ffffff SelectionColor = #f5fc0c WindowMargin = 2 4 2 4 PageSpacing = 4 4 ] to this: FixedPageUI [ # TextColor = #000000 # BackgroundColor = #ffffff TextColor = #ffffff BackgroundColor = #000000 SelectionColor = #f5fc0c WindowMargin = 2 4 2 4 PageSpacing = 4 4 ] The # is just used to uncomment so you have a backup. -- Windows7 Pro, Lubuntu 15.10, Sibelius 7.1.3 Free Project: LibreOffice Songbook Architect (LOSA) http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1: PDF export italic font problem Posted by Mark Bartschi - 21 Apr 10:06PM Hide picture Thanks Kai, I appreciate the suggestions. At the moment I have several acceptable workarounds available to me: 1. Use a different font that has a native italic version. 2. Use "Export to PDF" instead of "Export Graphics". (Adds an extra step because you can't specify a page range on Export to PDF, but I can exclude what I don't need in Acrobat or Photoshop. Also, I just tried this again with the sample score I sent to Robin, and it had the same problem as the "Export Graphics". I have no idea what's different with this vs. yesterday when I tried it with the full score of dozens of these.) 3. Use Print instead of Export and select Adobe PDF as the printer. (Allows selecting specific pages, but is otherwise a little more awkward to use. Just tried this and it worked fine.) 4. Export to a raster format at the needed resolution. Use an image editor to knock out the white background if necessary. 5. Export to SVG and use an image editor that doesn't attempt to substitute fonts to convert and edit it as needed for PowerPoint. So this is by no means a showstopping problem. It's just a nuisance and one I'd like to help Avid isolate and solve if I can provide some feedback. Back to top | All threads