Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Michael Casey - 03 Aug 04:08PM Hide picture How does one access the various organ sounds (stops) in Sib 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Uwe Mahnken - 03 Aug 04:50PM Hide picture I am worry that there are no different organ stops available. I thougt like you: wow, sampled Hauptwerk pipe organ with 27 stops! But the fact is that there are only three organ sounds with a fixed combination of stops: Great, Swell an Pedal. Not very useful. Uwe Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Michael Casey - 03 Aug 06:37PM Hide picture HI Uwe, I hope that you are wrong and that there is some other explanation. Thanks Michael Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 03 Aug 08:58PM Hide picture Take a look at the attached score, which shows the different text you can enter to change stops. You may find you need to write "nat." in hidden text to reset to the default sound just before each new registration change. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Attachment Skinner Organ Test.sib (38K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Laurence Payne - 03 Aug 11:08PM Hide picture I tried "sesquialtera" just on the off-chance! Never mind :-) Until some documentation arrives, it's interesting to look through the Staff Text section of the Playback Directory to see what could be possible. Or have a look at e.g. "Skinner Organ Great.patch" from the Sounds folder in a text editor. The keyswitches are listed at the end. (It would obvioulsy be foolish to change this file in any way.) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Michael Casey - 04 Aug 09:10AM Hide picture Thanks for all the responses here. Much appreciated. Will keep on experimenting then...... Regards Michael Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Uwe Mahnken - 04 Aug 09:17AM Hide picture Thank's Daniel for the information. Can't understand why there is few to no documentation available still. Uwe Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 04 Aug 10:12AM Hide picture Because it's only me writing it, Uwe, and I have a great many demands on my time. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I will get some more documentation available as soon as possible. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 04 Aug 01:07PM Hide picture A real one man operation then? I hope Avid is making you a millionaire several times over for all your work - otherwise it's just plain exploitation. -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by James Gilbert - 11 Aug 05:57PM Hide picture I realize it is a lot of documentation to do, but the whole playback information in the reference manual about the included instruments is extremely incomplete. It says there is an organ with more than 20 stops but it doesn't give a clue on what those stops are or how to find them or use them (other than the possibility that the playback dictionary might somehow be involved and even that is mentioned elsewhere in the manual). The only thing I could figure out to do was look at the playback dictionary and start trying every entry that looked like it might relate to organ. (Many of the words in the playback dictionary that look like organ don't do anything with the default organ sounds). Thanks for whoever suggested looking at the sound patch file. That will save me time (if I can figure out how I apply the keyswitches, hopefully without having to create new playback dictionary entries). If playback is an important feature for Sibelius, you just about have to go through every instrument and document every keyswitch, dictionary entry and sound variation that is available for the instruments. At a minimum, tell people they can look at the available keyswitches. In looking for the organ keyswitches, I was surprised to note that Bartok pizz. are available for the strings. That's not mentioned anywhere in the manual. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 11 Aug 08:11PM Hide picture Yes, we're quite aware that there is no documentation in the Reference Guide about the minutiae of the Sibelius 7 Sounds library. It'll be coming as soon as I can get to it. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 16 Aug 03:11PM Hide picture Daniel, although in your score the play back correctly, using Technique text, I cannot get these words to have any affect on the playback. Is there more than meets the eye here? -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 16 Aug 06:04PM Hide picture Import one of the default Sibelius 7 house styles into your score, and that should sort it. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 16 Aug 09:52PM Hide picture > Import one of the default Sibelius 7 house styles into your score, and that should sort it. > > -- Thanks, I suspected something like this may be at play. Will try first chance and report back. -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Tony Ward - 17 Aug 01:43AM Hide picture Laurence, I took you up on this idea and made a list of stops and related keyswitches…. hope you all find this helpful. Great 1 Harmonics III 2 Fifteenth 2' 3 Octave 4' 4 Tromba 8' 5 First Diapason 8' 6 Second Diapason 8' 7 Harmonic Flute 8' 8 Double Diapason 16' 13 all off (nat.) Swell 1 Clarion 4' 2 Diapason 8' 3 Flautino 2' 4 Flute 4' 5 Gamba 8' 6 Celeste 8' 7 Oboe dAmore 8' 8 Rohrflute 9 Trumpet 8' 10 Waldhorn 16' 11 Mixture V 12 Nazard 2 2/3 13 all off (nat.) Pedal 1 Trombone 16' 2 Open Diapason 3 Octave 8' 4 Bourdon 16' Gedeckt 8' 13 all off (nat.) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Johan Michaelsen - 13 Sep 03:06PM Hide picture I've searched through the forum about this topic, and it seems You're in the right direction. I found theese Techique words in the dictionary, and I just was eager to find out where in the organ they belonged: ----------- Full Organ Baroque Plenum Full Symphonic Full Brustwerk Full Hauptwerk Full Full Ped. Bourdon 16' Mixture Prinzipal Reeds 16' Waldhorn 16' Diapason 16' Trombone 16' First Diapason 8' Second Diapason 8' Diapason 8' Flute 8' Rohrflute 8' Gamba 8' Gamba Celeste 8' Octave 8' Oboe d'Amore 8' Cornet 8' Trumpet 8' Tromba 8' Bourdon Gedeckt 8' Reeds 8' Octave 4' Clairon 4' Flute 4' Flautino2' Fifteenth 2' Nazard 2 2/3' Nazard 2'2/3 ----------- But my two questions are: 1. Where did You get the stopnames on Your list, as they differ slightly from the names I found in the dictionary? 2. What do you mean by "related keyswitches"? Best regards Johan Sibelius 7.0.2 (just upgraded), iMac, Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Tony Ward - 13 Sep 09:37PM Hide picture Johan, I took Laurence (earlier post) up on his suggestion to open one of the files for the organ patch in a text editor. That's where this list came from. As for the keyswitches, these are IDs that Sibelius uses to know when/how to switch registrations for the organ, although it's a mystery as to how one uses these as of yet. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Richard White - 16 Aug 06:16PM Hide picture Skinner Organ Test.sib Daniel, Does the above file open in Sib. 6.2? Richard White -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://community.ascap.com/richard_white http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 16 Aug 06:23PM Hide picture No, it doesn't, and even if it did, it wouldn't be much use to you, as the organ sounds in question are only available in Sibelius 7 Sounds. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 16 Aug 11:06PM Hide picture Works great Daniel, thanks! If I want to return to the default sound within a piece I can use nat., but what would/should I call this (make visual to the organist) in the score? I.E. What is the default organ sound in Sib 7 sounds? Sorry, I'm trying to *RTFM!*, but there just isn't one yet... :) -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 16 Aug 11:20PM Hide picture I'll have to check this and come back to you. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 17 Aug 01:20AM Hide picture If it'll be quicker for you, just jot it into the manual and I'll wait for that rather than keep bothering you question by question. Looking forward to learning how best to utilize these sounds! -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 21 Aug 08:33PM Hide picture The default stops are (as sound IDs): Great: +4'.octave Swell: +8'.rohrflute Pedal: +8'.octave -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Uwe Mahnken - 21 Aug 08:43PM Hide picture > The default stops are (as sound IDs): > > Great: +4'.octave Why? I think a 8' stop would make sense. Uwe Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 22 Aug 02:41AM Hide picture > The default stops are (as sound IDs): > > Great: +4'.octave > > Swell: +8'.rohrflute > > Pedal: +8'.octave > > -- Thank you Daniel. -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard (Lion is still a cub!) and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Xavier Pagès i Corella - 16 Sep 09:21AM Hide picture Hi, This post solved my problems! Thank you very much. I would like to ask if is there any way to listen to the stops without the default stop sounding at the same time. At the moment, when I set, let's say, Clarion 4' for the Swell, I hear it toguegher with Rohrflute (default sound for Swell). I have used "nat." but it sets the default sound, so I don't know how to silence it (if it is really possible). Thank you very much in advance! Xavier. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 16 Sep 09:41AM Hide picture I'll check up on this and come back to you next week, Xavier. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by George Jolly - 19 Sep 04:49AM Hide picture Hello Daniel, When I play your Skinner Organ Test.slb file, the pedal line goes silent for the upper a-b-c-b-a part of the line. From G and below it plays. It does this for all three of the stops. The other lines play fine (and sound great), just the pedal is affected. I've tried importing three of the standard house styles with no change. It does it regardless of whether I play all staves or whether I only play the pedal staff alone. Since nobody else has mentioned this, I'm guessing something must be wrong on my system. Any ideas? Should I re-install Sibelius or the sound library? Thanks, George Jolly Sibelius 7.0.2, MacOS10.6.8, MacBook Pro mid-2009 13" 2.53GHz C2D, 8GB Ram. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 19 Sep 08:29AM Hide picture Have you installed the Sibelius 7 Sounds update that was released along with Sibelius 7.0.1? -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by George Jolly - 19 Sep 12:41PM Hide picture Yes. Just to be sure, I have now rebooted, installed the sounds updater again, rebooted, and it made no change. I also re-downloaded the sound updater to be sure my copy wasn't corrupted, and the md5 hashes of the two files are identical. Thanks, George Jolly Sibelius 7.0.2, MacOS10.6.8, MacBook Pro mid-2009 13" 2.53GHz C2D, 8GB Ram. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Robert Enns - 19 Sep 01:51PM Hide picture I've tried Daniel's Skinner Score and it just doesn't work properly for me at all. For instance, if I play the pedal line, the top A, B, C do not play. And the stop change from Octave 8' to Bourdon Gedeckt 16' doesn't change the sound at all. With the Great staves, the Octave seems to play throughout and at the point where three stops are supposed to be playing, an 8 and a 4 foot are playing but it certainly isn't the Diapason 8' or Tromba. Another point. The Nazard plays at written pitch rather than a twelth above. I've tried with my own organ scores importing a new Sib 7 house style and I can't reliably get any stops to really work using Technique and the dictionary names. I really don't know what is wrong but it certainly isn't working for me. -- Rob Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.02, Sibelius Sounds, Photoscore Ultimate Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Robin Walker - 19 Sep 02:40PM Hide picture Robert, have you applied the Sibeius7SoundsUpdater to the Sibelius 7 Sounds? -- Sibelius 7.0.2/6.2, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Robert Enns - 19 Sep 03:20PM Hide picture Yes I have the updated sound files. -- Rob Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.02, Sibelius Sounds, Photoscore Ultimate Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by George Jolly - 20 Sep 01:48AM Hide picture >> For instance, if I play the pedal line, the top A, B, C do not play. Ah, it's not only me :-) I can re-create the silent note problem with some other instruments as well. Create a new, blank score, add one instrument and add some notes. Or add one note and use the arrows to run it up and down in pitch. (That latter shortcut recreates the problem with the organ pedal line in Daniel's score also.) It's not apparent in all instruments, but here's two more where it happens: Baritone Bb Treble Clef goes silent at and above the B above the staff (concert pitch). The note is colored red but I've played it myself so I know it's possible :-) Tenor Horn (which is in Eb, not Bb as I was expecting) goes silent starting at (and above) middle line B in the staff (concert pitch). Some of the silent notes here are not red. Thanks, George Jolly Sibelius 7.0.2 & Sound Updates from 7.0.1, MacOS10.6.8, MacBook Pro mid-2009 13" 2.53GHz C2D, 8GB Ram. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Xavier Pagès i Corella - 21 Sep 09:07PM Hide picture Hi Daniel, Did you have time to review my problem? Thanks, Xavier. > Hi, > This post solved my problems! Thank you very much. > I would like to ask if is there any way to listen to the stops without the default stop sounding at the same time. At the moment, when I set, let's say, Clarion 4' for the Swell, I hear it toguegher with Rohrflute (default sound for Swell). I have used "nat." but it sets the default sound, so I don't know how to silence it (if it is really possible). > Thank you very much in advance! > Xavier. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Johan Michaelsen - 23 Sep 02:40PM Hide picture > The default stops are (as sound IDs): > > Great: +4'.octave > > Swell: +8'.rohrflute > > Pedal: +8'.octave > I would (also) like the default stops should to be changed: Great: +8'.diapason.first Swell: +8'.rohrflute Pedal: +16'.bourdon.gedect By the way: I didn't manage to get theese stops to sound: Harmonics III Clarion 4' (at the start of score) as well as the Full Organ Baroque Plenum Full Symphonic Full Brustwerk Full Hauptwerk Full Full Ped. - that are mentioned in the dictionary Hope to get a thorough User Manual for theese organ stops - and be clarified about what should be possible or not. best regards Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by ArronPowell - 11 Oct 10:59PM Hide picture Another frustrated user, I'm afraid - Has there been ANY kind of a patch? I've installed every upgrade, rebooted, restarted Sib (7.0.2, with upgraded Sounds), and every indication I give for registration makes the problem worse(!!!). Now all my organ plays at least 1 octave up, and most of it only plays *2* octaves up... Mac os Lion, 64-bit imac, mid-2011 (all os updates current as of last week). Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Robert Enns - 12 Oct 01:53AM Hide picture I've given up for the time being. I can't get any dictionary stop indications to work in any consistent manner. And most of the time not at all. -- Rob Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.02, Sibelius Sounds 7.02, Photoscore Ultimate Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 12 Oct 08:42AM Hide picture The reason the organ sounds an octave too high is that there's a 2' stop included in the default patch. The next update will include some changes in this area that should sort it out. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by David Hitchin - 12 Oct 01:07PM Hide picture The patch will be very welcome when it comes. Meanwhile, is there anything that the users can do to put in stop changes that work? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 13 Oct 08:27AM Hide picture The stop changes in the file I attached work here, so I'm not sure what's going on if they don't work for you, so let's assume the answer is no for the time being. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by ArronPowell - 19 Oct 03:18AM Hide picture Dear Daniel at Sibelius, Is there any way to change the sound of an instrument in general *manually* to a different instrument? For example, while the full Skinner organ is pretty offensive for my score, and it's the only sound the "organ" instrument makes for us outside the Avid/Sibelius Programming Bubble, I'd LOVE to be able to change my organ sound to a flute sound for the time being until there's a patch (which I hope is soon)... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 19 Oct 08:12AM Hide picture If you want to change the organ to sound like a regular orchestral flute, yes, you can do that via the Mixer. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Alex Watson - 08 Feb 11:27PM Hide picture Hi Daniel, thanks for all the help! What type of text should I use to type in the organ stop changes into the score so that Sibelius Playback will recognize the changes? I tried typing in a few things like "nat" or "13 all of" next to the organ line using the "technique" category and so far no success in any changes in sound. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Steve - 10 Feb 03:32PM (edited 11 Feb 05:35PM) Hide picture edit --canceled post accidentally got posted-- was going to say what Bob said more or less -- Sibelius 7.1.3, iMac - Snow Leopard 2016. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sib 7 Organ Sounds Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Feb 04:41AM Hide picture I note that there is a 5 year gap between Daniel's last post and now. Daniel has not worked here since 2012 so he is pretty unlikely to answer. -- Bob An experienced user of Sibelius. Sib 1.2 - 8, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 8 G RAM. Year 2016. Back to top | All threads