'Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)'

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Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin) - Christopher Berg, 09 Apr 09:42PM
     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Michael Good, 09 Apr 09:55PM
         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Christopher Berg, 12 Apr 12:35AM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Nina Drath, 08 May 12:49AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - kbundies, 13 Oct 09:06PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Kai Struck, 16 Oct 01:18PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - kbundies, 17 Oct 12:41PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Kai Struck, 17 Oct 09:10PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Yves Massy, 13 Sep 12:00PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robin Walker, 13 Sep 12:55PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 13 Sep 12:43PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Bob Zawalich, 13 Sep 01:34PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Wim Hoogewerf, 13 Sep 03:14PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robin Walker, 13 Sep 03:27PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Rob Tuley, 13 Sep 03:59PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 13 Sep 08:12PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Rob Tuley, 13 Sep 08:25PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 14 Sep 01:08AM

Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Christopher Berg - 09 Apr 09:42PM
I've got a Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin in my plugins folder that I've been experimenting with. I can't remember where I got it and there's no version number. (The file metadata says it was created March 23, 2009.)

Has anyone been using it, or know of any updates to it? It works okay, but doesn't use the correct syntax for two or more voices on one staff and it gets the octave wrong in guitar music. The latter is easily fixed, but the former requires going into the .ly text file to do major editing.

I'm not deserting Sibelius (I love it), but I want to experiment making a LaTeX document with examples typeset in LilyPond.

Has anyone had success converting a Sibelius file to a LilyPond file? If so, what do you do??

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Christopher Berg
MacBook Pro, 2.8 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 10.6.6, 8 GB, Sibelius 6.2

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Michael Good - 09 Apr 09:55PM
I suspect most people doing this conversion use our Dolet 5 for Sibelius plug-in to export a MusicXML file, and then import the MusicXML file into LilyPond. The Dolet plug-in is available at:

http://shop.recordare.com/products/dolet-5-for-sibelius

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Michael Good
Recordare LLC
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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Christopher Berg - 12 Apr 12:35AM
Thanks, Michael. The Dolet 5 plugin is too expensive for me to experiment with for a workflow I may never use. And the xml to LilyPond conversion tool (musicxml2ly) needs to be run from the command line, which I'm not sure how to do.

I think I'll just create the LilyPond files by hand (sigh).

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Christopher Berg
MacBook Pro, 2.8 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 10.6.6, 8 GB, Sibelius 6.2

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Nina Drath - 08 May 12:49AM (edited 08 May 12:50AM)
We've been using the sib2ly plugin for the last two days, and it's a godsend. You can download it here: http://sidorefa.com/sib2ly/

To be able to create scores in Sibelius, and then convert them to Lilypond for printing, is the best of all possible worlds. Our students prefer the Lilypond scores -- they're simply easier to read.

It's still necessary to learn Lilypond basics, because the plugin does not (at least for us) convert everything -- fingerings and cautionary accidentals, for instance, are omitted. And the default staff size is too small. It's quite easy to fix these things manually, once you get the hang of it.

Sibelius remains by far the best notation software we've ever used. But, in our opinion, nothing beats Lilypond for typesetting.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by kbundies - 13 Oct 09:06PM
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Sibelius remains by far the best notation software we've ever used. But, in our opinion, nothing beats Lilypond for typesetting
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just out of curiosity I printed three versions of the same music and showed it to some active musicians.
a) Sibelius (7) output
b) MuseScore output
c) Lilypond output
the source had been quite a simple instrumental part; each of the musicians agreed that the file typeset by (c) Lilypond seemed the one nicest to look at and the easiest to read (f.e. “in a dark church”)

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Sibelius 6.2.0 on Mac OSX 10.6.8 (& Sibelius 7.0.2)

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Kai Struck - 16 Oct 01:18PM
Hi kbundies!
I really would love to see the comparison with the 3 scores. I have seen some guitar scores made with lilypond and always liked it, but I'm much too lazy to make myself into the coding stuff.
I would find it very exciting to look for the differences that make lilypond so good looking.
Perhaps you could email them to me?

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by kbundies - 17 Oct 12:41PM
Kai,

if you want to avoid „the coding stuff“, in LilyPond you will find a musicxml2ly converter, converting music.xml files to a LilyPond file.
I tried exportimg from Sibelius 7 to music.xml and the using that musicxml2ly converter.
It runs via the command line, but is pretty simple to use.
The lilypond file seems to need some clearing up though afterwards.

ps: I emailed you the pdf printouts
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Sibelius 6.2.0 on Mac OSX 10.6.8 (& Sibelius 7.0.2)

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Kai Struck - 17 Oct 09:10PM
Thank you very much!!! It's interesting to see.
I think the note spacing of Lilypond and Sibelius is better than Musescore's. The Sibelius score is a little bit smaller in staff size then Lilypond and Musescore. That can make a huge difference. I like Lilypond's shortened legerlines after accidentals.
Was the lilypond example a Sibelius musicxml export? That would explain the missing rest bars?


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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Yves Massy - 13 Sep 12:00PM
"We've been using the sib2ly plugin for the last two days, and it's a godsend. You can download it here: http://sidorefa.com/sib2ly/

To be able to create scores in Sibelius, and then convert them to Lilypond for printing, is the best of all possible worlds. Our students prefer the Lilypond scores -- they're simply easier to read.

It's still necessary to learn Lilypond basics, because the plugin does not (at least for us) convert everything -- fingerings and cautionary accidentals, for instance, are omitted. And the default staff size is too small. It's quite easy to fix these things manually, once you get the hang of it.

Sibelius remains by far the best notation software we've ever used. But, in our opinion, nothing beats Lilypond for typesetting. "

Hello, I use Sibelius intensively. But for a musicology text, I would like export my Sibelius files as lilypond files, tu use lilypond files as examples introduced into Latex files.
I tried to use sib2ly plugin, but i am unable to install as a plugin of my Sibelius 7.13 (running with Mac OsX 10,7)
Can you help me?
Thank you very much

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Robin Walker - 13 Sep 12:55PM
Instructions for installing third-party plug-ins are available at:
http://www.sibelius.com/download/plugins/index.html?help=install

At the source I checked, it looks as if there has been no sib2ly development for over three years. So we don't know to what extent it works with Sibelius 7, which is later than that.

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Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Robert Enns - 13 Sep 12:43PM
How can it be a fair comparison if the staff sizes don't exactly match? Surely that would affect ones perception as to readability.

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Rob
Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
Sibelius 7.1.3, Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, Photoscore Ult., GPO4

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 13 Sep 01:34PM
Now that the Dolet plugin is free, for Sib earlier than 7, and MusicXML export is supported in Sib 7, I would suggest that exporting to MusicXML
and then using a musicxml2ly convertor would be the most likely route to success.

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Bob

Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 13 Sep 03:14PM
I remember someone bringing up the subject of comparison between six programs several years ago. Here's the link, still valid: http://home.earthlink.net/~jfalbano/Six%20Music%20Notation%20Programs%20v.2.pdf

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Robin Walker - 13 Sep 03:27PM
Wim, it is unfortunate, for all the products compared, that that PDF report is of very low technical quality. It appears to have been made by scanning in hard copy printouts from the various products. Some of the scans are noticeably fuzzy and pixelated.

It's a shame, because the concept is a good one. A technically better version would be vary handy.

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Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Rob Tuley - 13 Sep 03:59PM
> It's a shame, because the concept is a good one. A technically better version would be vary handy.

It's also somewhat out of date. The Lilypond is labeled v 2.9, and the current version is v 2.16. There have been some major improvements in that time, though some of them might not show up on something as simple as the example score.

And from the date of 2006, I guess the Slbelius example is version 4.

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Rob

Sib 4.1, WinXP, 2Gb.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Robert Enns - 13 Sep 08:12PM
Version 2.16 is newer than 2.6?

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Rob
Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
Sibelius 7.1.3, Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, Photoscore Ult., GPO4

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Rob Tuley - 13 Sep 08:25PM (edited 13 Sep 08:28PM)
> Version 2.16 is newer than 2.6?

Sure. 2.8, 2.9, 2.10, 2.11, 2.12 ....

Don't confuse 2.16 with 2.1.6, which would have be a minor update to 2.1,

To be pedantic, the latest stable version in 2.16.2. (2.17 is still a work in progress).

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Rob

Sib 4.1, WinXP, 2Gb.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin)
Posted by Robert Enns - 14 Sep 01:08AM
I'm too used to seeing things like 2.1.6.

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Rob
Win 7 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
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Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond plugin) - Christopher Berg, 09 Apr 09:42PM
     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Michael Good, 09 Apr 09:55PM
         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Christopher Berg, 12 Apr 12:35AM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Nina Drath, 08 May 12:49AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - kbundies, 13 Oct 09:06PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Kai Struck, 16 Oct 01:18PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - kbundies, 17 Oct 12:41PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Kai Struck, 17 Oct 09:10PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Yves Massy, 13 Sep 12:00PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robin Walker, 13 Sep 12:55PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 13 Sep 12:43PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Bob Zawalich, 13 Sep 01:34PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Wim Hoogewerf, 13 Sep 03:14PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robin Walker, 13 Sep 03:27PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Rob Tuley, 13 Sep 03:59PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 13 Sep 08:12PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Rob Tuley, 13 Sep 08:25PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: sib2ly.plg (Sibelius-to-LilyPond ... - Robert Enns, 14 Sep 01:08AM