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Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble ... - Bob Morabito, 05 Mar 02:03PM
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         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Peter Roos, 05 Mar 04:26PM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 05 Mar 06:04PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Peter Roos, 05 Mar 11:32PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 06 Mar 01:55AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 06 Mar 08:51AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 06 Mar 08:53AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 06 Mar 02:10PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - jay vilnai, 07 Mar 06:00PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 07 Mar 11:08PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - jay vilnai, 08 Mar 12:46AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 08 Mar 07:11PM

Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with Sib 6.2
Posted by Bob Morabito - 05 Mar 02:03PM (edited 05 Mar 02:17PM)
Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE)

(Due to space, and attachment limitations, a reduced review of XCE is presented here. A complete pdf version of this review can be downloaded from http://www.mediafire.com/?svz97mywk89s085, which includes the additional following topics:
Ease of Installation, Using XCE in Sibelius, Manual Sound Sets, the Mallet and Percussion Banks, and Using Ensemble Mode. The complete review also includes screen grabs. Thank you.)


(Please see attachment-"XCE-KP2")


As a long time user of Xsample sound libraries, I recently was asked if I'd review their flagship product, Xsample Chamber Ensemble.(XCE), and its use in Sib 6. XCE is a library of high quality solo instruments for chamber music and chamber orchestra, that combines thousands and thousands of sounds. This collection contains a very large amount of instruments, (see complete list at end of review) and very diversified playing styles for live, notation, and sequencer situations, that's very intuitive and easy to use,

XCE works seamlessly and easily with Sibelius, (Sounds sets) , and also Finale (Human Playback), and is a powerful extension for your notation software, and also for your DAW/Sequencer. The library contains a "score version" for ideal notation playback, and a "play version" for normal use with a keyboard or DAW/sequencer, and may be used as a standalone application and as a plug-in within a host sequencer. This excellent library features fully chromatically sampled and multilayered instruments, with natural loops for all sustained notes, and seamless xfade controller for dynamic and sound-color-- continuous sound dynamics from ppp to fff. And In the "play version", all articulations are laid out in one instrument, with easy handling of the numerous keyswitches through a Kontakt2 script and global occupied keyswitches, so you can find e.g. “sul pont.” for violin, viola, violoncello and doublebass always on the same key.

(Using XCE in a DAW/sequencer, wont be covered here--its the same excellent sounds, but used a different way involving ingenious key switching. More information can be found in the XCE Users Guide-see link at end of review)


In addition to the score (notation playback) and play (DAW/sequencer playback) versions, XCE also includes several Sound Sets- stereo, (complete or reduced), mono (complete or reduced), and two additional reduced versions of the library,(advanced and classic). The advantages of using reduced versions while scoring, are faster loading times, and when your work is done, just switch to the high quality complete versions.

The Instruments themselves can be used as solo, part of a small group, ensemble, and also, in Ensemble Mode the instrument can be increased to more than one voice, ("solo") after setting up and using the keyword "tutti". The mallets, and percussion are very conveniently set up in banks, and switching between these instruments in these banks is accomplished by the use of keywords. This multi-functionality was perfect for me as my interest is in writing for solo instruments, and different sized chamber ensemble groups, and not for symphonic orchestra, at least at this time. Realistically, the opportunities for performance for soloists and smaller groups are much greater.

So for example, here at my fingertips, in addition to all the instruments being able to be used in a solo capacity, I have a String Quartet, Woodwind Quartet, Percussion Battery (including Vibes, Marimba and Xylophone, and numerous percussion instruments etc), Piano, Harp, countless duos, trios, etc .etc...


An assortment of impulse reverbs, and combinations, are also included with XCE, and support for XCE is really good--Georg and Hans-Josef are really nice guys, and very knowledgeable, helpful and open to suggestions. They provide EXCELLENT support.



How does XCE sound?

Very simply put, these sounds are EXCELLENT, extremely realistic, and excite me to compose with them, and listen to them, as a good virtual instrument should. They are all authentic sounding, perfectly sampled instruments with flawless looping for sustained sounds. But as always the best way is to judge for yourself.

Here are various ways to do so:

Try-Sound -:this is the world´s first online Test Station for virtual instruments and Plug-Ins-a really good and needed idea. I understand there is latency (delay) in hearing the sounds from the site.

http://www.try-sound.com/detail.asp/xsample_chamber_ensemble/en

How to use this site:

http://www.try-sound.com/service.asp/howto/en


Click on Audio and Video Demos, There is also very much useful Information of XCE here:

http://www.bestservice.de/detail1.asp/best_service/xsample_chamber_ensemble/en


Contains score, live, and user demos of XCE:

http://www.xsample.de/html/xsample_music_demos.html

http://www.xsample.de/html/xml_xs_dm/Banks.mp3
http://www.xsample.de/html/xml_xs_dm/Banks.pdf



You tube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39XZijdGTVQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQbxJFrutQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJFG366-5M



XCE--The Bottom Line:

For the cost, and sheer amount and excellent quality of XCE instruments, samples and articulations, coupled with its ease of use, and superb technical support, in my opinion, it can't be beat, Future plans include brass instruments, timpani, etc.
I'm informed there are sometimes special sales of XCE, and there also is a lower priced Education version.(for more information, or any questions please contact Georg Stahl (stahl@xsample.de) or Hans Josef Winkler (winkler@xsample.de).

Its the next best thing to owning your own chamber group--with many varied soloists, and ensembles, and having them at your beck and call 24/7/365.

You cant beat it:)

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Bob Morabito - 05 Mar 02:05PM
Product:

Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE)

Website:

http://www.xsample.de/

Contact/ Technical Support:

Georg Stahl (stahl@xsample.de)
Hans Josef Winkler (winkler@xsample.de)

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XCE Ueers guide:

http://www.xsample.de/pdf/XCE_Userguide_L.pdf

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List of included Instruments:

http://www.bestservice.de/detail1.asp/best_service/xsample_chamber_ensemble/en


Solo Strings
Violin
Viola
Violoncello
Doublebass

Woodwinds 1
Flute
Oboe
Clarinet
Bassoon

Woodwinds 2
Piccolo
English Horn
Bassclarinet
Contrabassoon

Woodwinds 3
Bassflute
Oboe d’amore
Bassethorn

Harp & Keys
Concert Harp
Steinway B
Celesta
Spinet
Clavichord
Toy Piano

Mallets
Marimbaphone
Xylophone
Vibraphone
Glockenspiel
Crotales

Percussion
gran cassa, sidedrum, cymbals, cymbals bowed, cymbals muted, tam-tam, triangle, tambourine, claves, woodblocks, castanets, bar chimes, wind chimes, tom-toms, watergongs, rattle, scraper, steel plates, small anvil, hand bell, tibet bowl, maracas, cabasa, rainmaker, hi hat, bongos, conga, diatonic steeldrum, “frog”, horn, trainpipe, “bird”, metronom, kazoo, lotosflute, jew´s harps, kalimba, friction drums, talk drum

An assortment of impulse reverbs, and combinations, are also included with XCE,
(A complete list of articulations can be found in the XCE users guide)


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System requirements
http://www.bestservice.de/detail1.asp/best_service/xsample_chamber_ensemble/en

NI Kontakt Player 2 is included in this product!

Minimum:

Windows XP/ Vista, Pentium 4/ Athlon, Single 2,8 GHz, Dual Core CPU above 1.6 GHz per core
Mac OSX 10.4 or above, G5 1 GHz or Intel Core Duo1,66, 1 GB Ram

Optimal:

Windows XP/ Vista, Pentium 4/ Athlon, Quad Core CPU above 1.8 GHz per core
Mac OSX 10.4 or above, any Intel Mac G5, 2GB Ram

Free hard drive space: at least 14,3 GB (28584 Samples) for the sound library alone

You can use this library with the free Kontakt Player 3.5 (or higher) which is compatible to all actual operating systems and interfaces on Mac & PC.


Product activation:
An internet connection on any computer is required to authorize/ activate the product.


Review by Robert R. Morabito 03/11

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Peter Roos - 05 Mar 04:26PM
Nice review Robert - thanks! The sounds are excellent indeed.

One thing I find confusing is how to adjust the reverb, especially on the fly - Hans has tried to explain that to me but I always have to go back to those e-mails.

Is XCE fully integrated with Kontakt 4 as well? I can't upgrade to KP4 since I have the full fledged version (which I prefer anyways).


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Peter Roos
www.summeroflovemusic.com

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Bob Morabito - 05 Mar 06:04PM
Thanks Peter:)

When you asked "how to adjust the reverb, especially on the fly" did you mean how to get more or less reverb during playback?

If so, please see the attachment to this post.

As for Kontakt 4, I'm advised XCE is working really well with it.

You're able to also use the reverb impulses of Kontakt, and you can add the reverb after loading the instruments. Just add a convolution insert onto the output, and load a factory reverb impulse into this insert.

Thanks again, Bob
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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Peter Roos - 05 Mar 11:32PM
> Thanks Peter:)
>
> When you asked "how to adjust the reverb, especially on the fly" did you mean how to get more or less reverb during playback?
>
> If so, please see the attachment to this post.

Thanks Bob - yes, that is what I meant. Whenever I adjust the amount of reverb in the KP interface, the reverb vanishes altogether for some reason.

Well, I'll give it a try with Kontakt 4 and see how that works. The built in convolution reverb impulses are very good but EWQL has just released "Spaces", a spectacular convolution reverb that many say beats conventional hardware that is ten times more expensive, it'll be interesting to see how that sounds with XCE.


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Peter Roos
www.summeroflovemusic.com

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 Mar 01:55AM
Hi Peter--

I hope you get that reverb issue straightened out as Im not familiar with this--

and for my money, XCE is going to sound great with anything, though Ive read some really good user opinions about "Spaces".

Thanks for replying--Enjoy XCE:)

Bob

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Georg Stahl - 06 Mar 08:51AM

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Georg Stahl - 06 Mar 08:53AM
Thanks Bob for this very friendly and detailed user review!

I think it is really worth to read the complete review for XCE user, for potential user or even no XCE user, because this paper is not only being kind to Xsample products... :-), but gives also lots of information.
http://www.mediafire.com/?svz97mywk89s085

There are detailed information about everyday situations. Lots of questions, that we have to answer, while our support time are explained here in.
- Things like working with MIDI Banks, which is really very comfortable to handle in Sibelius and helps the user to save lots of performance
- Working with XCE Instrument groups
- What's about the "many" Sound Set versions
- Especially: working with manual Sound Sets are detailed explained, which enables some extra options
- How to work with the XCE house style
- What's about the section instruments
- The hint of the online Try-Sound Test workstation for anybody, who like to test the library and the sounds

Again, thanks Bob for this great review!

As the time to find this review in the Sibelius forum goes so fast by we will put it also on our website not only as reference also as a nice help for user.

Georg - Xsample

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Bob Morabito - 06 Mar 02:10PM
Thanks so much for your kind words Georg--and for XCE:)
(and to Hans Josef also!)

It really is an excellent sound library, and using it with switching over almost entirely to Sib 6.2 has really been an exciting step for me..

Continued GREAT success with your wonderful sound products!

Bob

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by jay vilnai - 07 Mar 06:00PM
Robert

Thanks for the great review. I'm left with two questions:

1. Does one *have* to use manual soundsets for percussion? Can you create a percussion map for unpitched instruments using Sibelius' edit instruments dialogue?

2. You mentioned that brass sounds are forthcoming. Where did you see that info? Is there a date on that? The lack of brass is one of the few reasons holding me back from XCE so far.

Thanks

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Jay Vilnai
Macbook Pro 2.4ghz, 4gb RAM, OS 10.6.4, Sibelius 6.2 & 5.4, Kontakt, Vienna Strings, Random Soundfonts, too many guitars

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Georg Stahl - 07 Mar 11:08PM
Hello Jay,

to your first question.
You can use percussion with ordinary drum mapping, we also checked with avid all sounds to get a optimal adaptation to Sibelius sound world. But you are additional allowed to use manual sound sets, it is prepared for each purpose.
Yes, you can use the Sibelius instrument dialogue.

to your second question.
Yes we will add brass. No there is not a concrete date yet. We don't speak of a lack: we add new instruments to our library. For a string quartet you won't need brass, nothing in music is complete and everything.... :-)
A good idea might be also mixing libraries. Each instrument has its character, so I would never say XCE is evreything and you don't have to use anything else.
But anyway you are right some brass should be added to our library...

Georg - Xsample

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by jay vilnai - 08 Mar 12:46AM
Georg

Thanks for your reply. Of course no library is complete, and mixing libraries is inevitable. I've been thoroughly impressed with XCE's quality and breadth of sounds. As someone working in contemporary chamber music, it's a great advantage to have all the techniques XCE provides. All I'm saying is, if I could have the same range of sounds on trumpet, trombone and horn, I'd be a vary happy camper...

One more question - I saw something about a 'compact' version on your website. Can you elaborate on that?

Thanks


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Jay Vilnai
Macbook Pro 2.4ghz, 4gb RAM, OS 10.6.4, Sibelius 6.2 & 5.4, Kontakt, Vienna Strings, Random Soundfonts, too many guitars

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble (XCE), and Using XCE with SIb 6.2
Posted by Georg Stahl - 08 Mar 07:11PM
Hello Jay,

thanks for the nice words...

It was our plan and our wish to create the compact version in order to reach more musicians, but unfortunately we could not complete this plan.
But we have the idea for the future to split our library into smaller pieces, so the user can pick the instruments they would like to.

Best Georg

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Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensemble ... - Bob Morabito, 05 Mar 02:03PM
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         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Peter Roos, 05 Mar 04:26PM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 05 Mar 06:04PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Peter Roos, 05 Mar 11:32PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 06 Mar 01:55AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 06 Mar 08:51AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 06 Mar 08:53AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Bob Morabito, 06 Mar 02:10PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - jay vilnai, 07 Mar 06:00PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 07 Mar 11:08PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - jay vilnai, 08 Mar 12:46AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A Review Of Xsample Chamber Ensem... - Georg Stahl, 08 Mar 07:11PM