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Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT brea... - ljb@mail.com, 14 Sep 11:07PM
     Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Daniel Spreadbury, 15 Sep 08:55AM
         Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - ljb@mail.com, 15 Sep 02:38PM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Daniel Spreadbury, 15 Sep 02:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - ljb@mail.com, 15 Sep 08:52PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Ed Hirschman, 04 Aug 01:40PM

Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by ljb@mail.com - 14 Sep 11:07PM (edited 15 Sep 03:01AM)
I have a score in which I have a D. C. al fine at a spot where several instruments have four-bar multirests. The text is breaking the multirest into three plus one in the parts.

Is there really no way to put system text into the score in a way that won't break multirests? If there's not, it seems as if there ought to be a way to select an individual piece of system text and set it in, say, the Properties window, to not break multirests.

Thanks,


Lew

P.S. I did figure out a work-around, using Technique Text entries into each part and hiding them in the score, except for the one on the top staff, which needs to show in the score. But of course to get that to play back, I have to put an actual repeat text into the score and hide THAT in all the parts. Not very elegant, to say the least.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 15 Sep 08:55AM
I'm afraid there's no way to insert system text without breaking multirests, but what I would recommend is attaching the system text to the first bar of the multirest, and then moving it with the X parameter in the General panel of Properties. That way it will appear where it should but not break the multirest. The only downside is that a repeat instruction like D.C. or whatever won't work where you expect it to.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by ljb@mail.com - 15 Sep 02:38PM
Thanks, Daniel.

I have to say that this is a problem. Your solution doesn't work, because if there are three instruments with differing numbers of bars rest, you can't put the D.C. al Fine in three different places so it will be in bar one of everyone's multirest.

I've switched to Sibelius after using Finale since version 1.0 (for which I paid a cool $1K!), because it does so many things better and easier than Finale does. But here's one place where Sibelius could learn from Finale; in Finale, many objects can be individually set to break or not break a multirest.

I'd really like to see that applied to individual pieces of System Text in Sibelius, because often (ritards, for example) you want the multirest broken so the player can see in which bar the ritard takes place; in other cases, like my D.C. al fine, there's no reason to break the multirest. It just looks amateurish in the part.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 15 Sep 02:50PM
Message received, Lew. I realise that it's certainly an imperfect situation at the moment.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by ljb@mail.com - 15 Sep 08:52PM (edited 15 Sep 08:54PM)
OK, All, for anyone following this thread and wanting to know a work-around, here's what I came up with.

It accomplishes my three goals: 1) It lets me keep the parts linked to the score (rather than extracting them); 2) the score plays back correctly for proofing; and 3) the parts look right, with no broken multirests at the D.C. al Coda.

1. Enter the D. C. al Coda the way you normally would in the score, as Repeat Text. It will show up on the appropriate staves in the score, and in all the parts.

2. In the parts that have a multirest at the point of the text, you'll see the multirest contains all the blank bars but one, with a single whole rest bar after. Double-click the Repeat Text you just created, select all of it, and copy it to the clipboard (on a Mac, Cmd-C.) Then hide the Repeat Text. The multirest should immediately expand to include all the empty bars.

3. Make sure nothing is selected, then do Create:Text:Technique. The selection arrow will turn blue. Click on the bar line at the end of the multirest, and when you see the blinking cursor, paste (Cmd-V) the text in and adjust the size if necessary to match the repeat text in other spots.

4. Select the Technique Text you just entered and choose Show in Parts, which will hide it in the score.

Note that you will probably need to do steps 3 and 4 in the affected parts themselves, NOT in the score. When I entered the Technique Text in the score and then selected Show in Parts, I still got a broken multirest some of the time.

Hope some find this useful.

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Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT breaking multirests?
Posted by Ed Hirschman - 04 Aug 01:40PM
Another vote for this feature.

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Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT brea... - ljb@mail.com, 14 Sep 11:07PM
     Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Daniel Spreadbury, 15 Sep 08:55AM
         Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - ljb@mail.com, 15 Sep 02:38PM
             Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Daniel Spreadbury, 15 Sep 02:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - ljb@mail.com, 15 Sep 08:52PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.2: A way to use system text WITHOUT ... - Ed Hirschman, 04 Aug 01:40PM