'Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6'

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Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 09:50AM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 28 Nov 10:18AM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 12:06PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Peter Roos, 28 Nov 04:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 28 Nov 05:41PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 09:00PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - andykrej, 09 Jan 09:18AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 09 Jan 11:24AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Matthew Chatto, 11 Jan 10:16AM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 11 Jan 10:54AM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Paolo Tramannoni, 15 Jan 06:29PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 15 Jan 09:19PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Paolo Tramannoni, 15 Jan 10:51PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 17 Jan 03:50PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 17 Jan 04:53PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 17 Jan 07:27PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Jonathan Loving, 17 Jan 09:28PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 18 Jan 11:03AM

Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Markus Elgland - 28 Nov 09:50AM
Hello!


NI Kontakt4 and sib6.1 combination. Is this working or not?
Can Kontakt4 read also EWQLSO play edition or VSL soundsets? Or is it better to buy Kontakt 3.5 in the future?
Any discussion about this subject is welcome.

Thanks
Markus

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 28 Nov 10:18AM
Sibelius does not recognise Kontakt 4 as a special Kontakt-type device and so it cannot load sounds automatically into that sample player at the moment. We are talking to NI to find out why that is.

If automatic sound loading is an important feature for you (i.e. you want to use a library for which there is a Sibelius sound set) then you should stick with Kontakt 3.5 or earlier.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Markus Elgland - 28 Nov 12:06PM
So are you optimistic that the solution will be found and the Kontakt4 will work in the future, if that is the case I would rather get Kontakt4.

Markus

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Peter Roos - 28 Nov 04:29PM
Kontakt 4 cannot load EWQLSO Play instruments - they have their own interface / player / sampler, Play. Play works fine in Sibelius 6, by the way.

Even though intsruments do not load automatically, you can use Kontakt 4 and use manual soundsets. Kontakt 4 does have a lot of great sounding new instruments (choirs, solo instruments from VSL, and so on). I am not sure whether Native Instruments still sell Kontakt 3.5 (not on their website) though with Kontakt 4 you might be able to 'downgrade' for free. You might want to check with NI on that.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 28 Nov 05:41PM
I can't say that I'm optimistic about making Kontakt 4 load sounds automatically, but it's something we're talking to NI about. There's no indication at this stage what the resolution will be.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Markus Elgland - 28 Nov 09:00PM
Yes! EWQLSO works fine in Sibelius6. And anyway Sibelius is a notation not sequencing software. Just my opinion is that Kontakt and Sibelius are really good combination. Hope u make co-operation in the future also!
Thank you Daniel.

And thank u also Peter. I will try the Kontakt 4 . I just want to use something (not so huge library like EWplatinum)but multifaceted and kompakt in my lap top

Markus Elgland

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by andykrej - 09 Jan 09:18AM
Hi , is there any development in making kontakt 4 load automatically?

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 09 Jan 11:24AM
We have now figured out what the problem is, which is that NI have changed the way that Kontakt identifies itself. We will need to patch Sibelius to make it possible to load sounds automatically in Kontakt 4. Unfortunately at the moment I cannot provide any specific information about when such a patch might be available.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Matthew Chatto - 11 Jan 10:16AM
Hi Daniel
Wouldnt a new sound set do it ?. I mean load the libaries automatically,just like the kontakt 3 libary

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 11 Jan 10:54AM
Unfortunately it's not as simple as the sound set itself: Sibelius needs to be changed to be able to recognise the fact that Kontakt 4 is a Kontakt-type device.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Paolo Tramannoni - 15 Jan 06:29PM
After installing Kontakt 4 on my Mac, I did not delete Kontakt 3.5, hoping to be able to use K3.5 for ordinary tasks, and K4 when the new sounds were needed.

It seems, however, that K3.5 is no longer listed among the devices I can select when creating a new Playback Configuration. I can only select K4 or Kontakt Player. So, it seems they are mutually exclusive.

Luckily, libraries based on earlier versions of Kontakt can be used, since Kontakt Player 2 is still available.

At this point, I wonder if K3.5 can simply be removed from the disk, to save space. I'll ask in the Kontakt forum.

Paolo

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Russell D - 15 Jan 09:19PM
I expect you overwrote one set of VST dlls with another in the folder that Sibelius scans.

I'm surprised that the Sibelius player Kontakt Player 2 will play Kontakt libraries. I think that's a bonus.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Paolo Tramannoni - 15 Jan 10:51PM (edited 16 Jan 01:07AM)
Russ,

Looking inside the /Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components/NativeInstruments/ folder, I actually can't see anything related to Kontakt 3. Nor I find it inside any of the backups. As a consequence, Kontakt 3 does not even appear in Logic 8. Something might have been happened before the earliest preserved backup.

I don't know if Kontakt libraries can be player by KP2; however, KP2 can play libraries like GPO, JABB and Virtual Drumline, that I used to play with Kontakt 3.5 and not the player.

At this point, I wonder if I should wait the release of a patch of Sibelius fully recognizing K4, and in the meantime only use Sibelius Sounds or the GPO under KP2, or reinstall K3.5 for using the VSL.

Incidentally, I'm surprised to discover that the orchestral sounds in Sibelius Sounds seem to perform better than GPO; maybe there is some additional optimization done in Sibelius Software.

Paolo

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Russell D - 17 Jan 03:50PM
Paolo, are you using pc or Mac? I don't recognise the folder.

Kontakt Player 2 was written by NI for Sibelius. It was Kontakt 2's little brother, if you like.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 17 Jan 04:53PM
Paolo is using Mac OS X.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Russell D - 17 Jan 07:27PM
Thanks, Daniel. I know to leave that tree alone. ;)

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Jonathan Loving - 17 Jan 09:28PM

> Kontakt Player 2 was written by NI for Sibelius. It was Kontakt 2's little brother, if you like.

Kontakt Player 2 is not Sibelius specific at all, although the Essentials that run in it are.

One can install KP2 along with Sibelius and then use that same KP2 plugin in Sibelius or any other host, to play any library coded for KP2. I've done it, many times (without installing the KP2 plug with the other libraries).

It's the Sib Essentials library that is specially coded to run only in Sibelius, not the plugin itself.

Jon

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6
Posted by Russell D - 18 Jan 11:03AM (edited 18 Jan 01:59PM)
I thought that Kontakt Player 2 was written by NI as a replacement for the Kontakt Player Gold supplied with Sibelius 4.

ETA I understand now. This player wasn't only licensed to Sibelius.

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Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 09:50AM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 28 Nov 10:18AM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 12:06PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Peter Roos, 28 Nov 04:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 28 Nov 05:41PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Markus Elgland, 28 Nov 09:00PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - andykrej, 09 Jan 09:18AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 09 Jan 11:24AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Matthew Chatto, 11 Jan 10:16AM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 11 Jan 10:54AM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Paolo Tramannoni, 15 Jan 06:29PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 15 Jan 09:19PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Paolo Tramannoni, 15 Jan 10:51PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 17 Jan 03:50PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Daniel Spreadbury, 17 Jan 04:53PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 17 Jan 07:27PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Jonathan Loving, 17 Jan 09:28PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.1: Kontakt 4 and Sibelius 6 - Russell D, 18 Jan 11:03AM