'Sib. 6.1: suggestion: "unlock format" but with keeping the system breaks'

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Sib. 6.1: suggestion: "unlock format" but with... - StefanB, 04 Nov 08:13PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Daniel Spreadbury, 07 Nov 09:58AM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Robin Walker, 07 Nov 12:45PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - StefanB, 07 Nov 01:27PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 07 Nov 02:37PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Robin Walker, 07 Nov 03:17PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 07 Nov 03:37PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Roman Molino Dunn, 11 Nov 09:26AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Johannes Maas, 02 Sep 03:06PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Bob Zawalich, 03 Sep 06:28AM

Sib. 6.1: suggestion: "unlock format" but with keeping the system breaks
Posted by StefanB - 04 Nov 08:13PM
This would be VERY handy e.g. when copying the layout between dynamic parts.
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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 07 Nov 09:58AM
Hmm... in what way would you be unlocking the format if you kept the system breaks?!

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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Robin Walker - 07 Nov 12:45PM
Let me add my vote for this option. Here is my scenario:

I'm editing a score which has many hidden staves. For some good reason, I need to work on one or more of those hidden staves, so I un-hide them. Instantly, all the systems on the page expand so much that they overlap each other vertically and reduce the page to incomprehensibility. What I need here is a way of saying to Sibelius: "please redistribute these systems over as many pages as it takes, but do not change my system breaks."

And after I've finished, and I've hidden the unwanted staves again, I shall want a way of asking Sibelius to re-evaluate the page-breaks again, but again I do not want the system breaks to be lost.

So the only aspect of formatting I want to unlock is the vertical one. I'm happy for page-breaks to turn into system-breaks and vice-versa, but I'm not happy for system-breaks to be moved between bars.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by StefanB - 07 Nov 01:27PM
Hi Daniel,

I'm looking for a way get rid of the *page breaks* while keeping the *system breaks*. Or more generally spoken: A way to get rid of all locking (into page and into system) but still keeping the systembreaks.
At the moment you can only get rid of all or nothing.

My perspective is from layouting parts here, so no fullscores.

An example:
Say you have a mostly homophonic bigband chart. You layout the Trumpet 1 (dynamic) part, then copy the layout to Trumpet 2 (using the "copy page layout" function in the parts window). But now, too bad, as the Tp 1 had (say) a little solo in one section, the parts differ (still only in that one section). So you have some staves of only rests in your Tp2. You try to delete the systembreaks and you get the problem: Now Sibelius squeezes an unlogical amount of staves on the page. NOW the feature I requested would be VERY useful.

Still, seeing it from a different point of view: It would also be cool to have the "copy part layout" to not lock the format after having copied it. (By the way, why does it do so actually?)

Thanks for listening!
Stefan


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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA - 07 Nov 02:37PM
After you have your systems set the way you like them, if you make sure you have a system break at the end of each system, then you can add or remove a page break at any system break and thereby cause Sibelius to reevaluate the number of systems on a page.

Robin, in your scenario, Sibelius may split a system into two systems when a complex staff is revealed. That's assuming you don't have that system locked together. After you work on that system and hide it again, Sibelius should go back to displaying the system breaks you have set.
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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Robin Walker - 07 Nov 03:17PM
> Robin, in your scenario, Sibelius may split a system into
> two systems when a complex staff is revealed. That's
> assuming you don't have that system locked together.
> After you work on that system and hide it again, Sibelius
> should go back to displaying the system breaks you have
> set.

Terry, I don't think that is quite my scenario, as I do have bars locked into systems. But when there are too many systems on a page, and they overlap terribly, the system-break symbols are overlaid with music from another system, and cannot easily be selected for editing.

Similar situations can arise with some imports from PhotoScore: there are just too many systems per page because for some reason page-breaks have been lost during the import process.

I want Sibelius to re-evaluate the page-breaks without changing the system breaks.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA - 07 Nov 03:37PM (edited 07 Nov 03:38PM)
How bout lengthening the page just for the editing process so you can un-overlap your systems. Then resize your page after you have everything revised to your liking.

You can switch to panorama view and make revisions without affecting the breaks.

I am sure your request for a command to reevaluate and adjust has been added to the wish list. For now, you need to have a way to handle your situation, and it can be done without losing your formatting even if it requires a little extra effort.
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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Roman Molino Dunn - 11 Nov 09:26AM
Stefan and Robing,
Thought: How about a plugin that converts explicit page breaks to system breaks? System breaks are a bit more ambiguous, they always occur at the end of a system, but not always at the end of a page. So would I be correct that a simple plugin to turn page breaks into system breaks would be helpful? Would be a trivial code to write, but if it helps, why not!

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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Johannes Maas - 02 Sep 03:06PM
That would be great. Is there any plugin for that?


> Thought: How about a plugin that converts explicit page breaks to system breaks? System breaks are a bit more ambiguous, they always occur at the end of a system, but not always at the end of a page. So would I be correct that a simple plugin to turn page breaks into system breaks would be helpful? Would be a trivial code to write, but if it helps, why not!
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Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion:
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 03 Sep 06:28AM
I note that Roman's message was from 2009. I don't believe that a plugin like that was ever published.


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Sib. 6.1: suggestion: "unlock format" but with... - StefanB, 04 Nov 08:13PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Daniel Spreadbury, 07 Nov 09:58AM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Robin Walker, 07 Nov 12:45PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - StefanB, 07 Nov 01:27PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 07 Nov 02:37PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Robin Walker, 07 Nov 03:17PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 07 Nov 03:37PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Roman Molino Dunn, 11 Nov 09:26AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Johannes Maas, 02 Sep 03:06PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.1: suggestion: - Bob Zawalich, 03 Sep 06:28AM