'Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign'

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Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 03:55PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Daniel Spreadbury, 23 Oct 04:29PM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Jeremy Hughes, 23 Oct 04:51PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Gareth Glyn, 23 Oct 05:04PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 05:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Chris Davey, 23 Oct 06:45PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 07:16PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Ian Cugley, 24 Oct 09:39AM

Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Dave LaDelfa - 23 Oct 03:55PM
I went to put this in a score I'm working on and was surprised not to find it in the symbols list. Is it there and I'm just not seeing it?

To clarify, this is the fermata-like mark that Britten initially devised for his "Curlew River" (1964) which indicates that in uncoordinated passages the player should sustain a note or rest until a resynchronization point for the whole ensemble. It looks sort of like the number three rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise.

If I'm correct that it's not there, I'd like to petition to have it included in some forthcoming revision of the symbol font.

And in the meantime, has anyone else figured out a way to show one of these in a Sibelius score?
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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 23 Oct 04:29PM
This symbol is indeed not included in Sibelius's fonts at the moment. We'd be happy to add it in due course. To save me going to buy a copy of 'Curlew River', could you scan a picture of the sign and send it to me?

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 23 Oct 04:51PM
I used a graphic the last time I needed this. I'll send Daniel a score directly.

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Gareth Glyn - 23 Oct 05:04PM
If requests for future zymbols are being considered, could I make a plea for a random-looking wiggly line to signify a free glissando on harp? Trying to construct one using elements from the Lines menu takes an age, and doesn't look right anyway.

I experimented with graphics, but was never able to create something that could be superimposed on the stave without obliterating large bits of it.

Gareth

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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Dave LaDelfa - 23 Oct 05:06PM
Much appreciated, Daniel, Jeremy.

I can hit the library and scan a couple clear examples from the vocal score if need be. If memory serves, it also appears in "Death In Venice" and a couple other of his later works.
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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Chris Davey - 23 Oct 06:45PM
Curlew River's a beautiful score to look at. I get it out from time to time to admire Britten's writing and the setting.

Snippet including the curlew sign attached for those interested.

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Attachment Curlew_sign.png (364K)
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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Dave LaDelfa - 23 Oct 07:16PM
The autography in the vocal score is very neat. I wonder if it's Imogen Holst's work?

At any rate, I could have sworn I've seen the curlew mark on a traditionally engraved page somewhere ... maybe it was the "Death in Venice" vocal score. I assume by that point someone in the engraving department at Boosey had gotten around to making a stamp for it. If so, that might make a better model for the glyph than the hand-drawn one above.
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Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign
Posted by Ian Cugley - 24 Oct 09:39AM (edited 24 Oct 09:47AM)
> has anyone else figured out a way to show one of these in a Sibelius score?

I use my own eccentric sign from my own font, rather more like a skua than a curlew, but I can cobble together a recognisable curlew symbol, using available symbols, as shown.

(Edited a couple of times to try to say what I meant).


Attachments Curlew.jpg (5K), Curlew2.jpg (2K)
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Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 03:55PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Daniel Spreadbury, 23 Oct 04:29PM
         Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Jeremy Hughes, 23 Oct 04:51PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Gareth Glyn, 23 Oct 05:04PM
             Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 05:06PM
                 Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Chris Davey, 23 Oct 06:45PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Dave LaDelfa, 23 Oct 07:16PM
     Re: Sib. 6.1: Curlew sign - Ian Cugley, 24 Oct 09:39AM