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Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute... - Steve Horn, 24 May 07:49PM
     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Jean Jacques Reymond, 24 May 09:09PM
         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 24 May 10:03PM
             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Jean Jacques Reymond, 25 May 12:20AM
                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Francesco, 25 May 08:17AM
                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Tobias Escher, 25 May 01:28PM
                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 25 May 06:57PM
                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Tobias Escher, 25 May 08:10PM
                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Alvaro Buitrago, 26 May 08:22AM
                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 26 May 08:32PM
                                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 02:00AM
                                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 27 May 09:33AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 11:33AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 12:41PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 27 May 02:03PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 28 May 12:33PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 28 May 03:07PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 29 May 01:26PM

Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 24 May 07:49PM (edited 30 May 01:21AM)
A project I have been working on for Sibelius Users in now ready to share. I have zipped together a collection of fonts I created along with a couple of Sibelius files for export as Manuscript Papers and/or House Styles and I included a User's Guide explaining how these fit together.

It can be downloaded at for various international keyboard layouts
http://www.websentia.us/sibeliusExtras/LeroyEarlyMusicPackageForSibelius.zip

NOTE: New updated version at
http://www.websentia.us/sibeliusExtras/LeroyEarlyMusicPackageforSibeliusv101.zip

I attached some screenshots. This package works in Sibelius 5 & 6. It also works in Sibelius 4 but for Windows only although many of the fonts can easily be used in earlier versions as well as other software.

This package and its contents are free to use but please do not repackage or resell.

Your comments and questions are welcome.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Jean Jacques Reymond - 24 May 09:09PM (edited 24 May 09:39PM)
Hi Steve

I'm really impressed, you have done a great work : congratulations !

Many thanks for sharing this with us. I'm used with scores for the classical guitar. I have some questions about your Leroy Package.

I'm reading the User manual about installing on Mac. In the Mac folder their are files wich I suppose to be font as they have .ttf as extension. But their are also three files finishing with .dfont. I have never seen this type of files. If I open them with Apple's FontBook they do not show anything : the FontBook opened window looks empty (on the opposite the .ttf, ones opened with the FontBook show us the font signs) : is this normal and should I install this 3 files ending with .dfont ?

I suppose I should install all other .ttf files from Mac folder and Mac>rhythms folder also.

I suppose ones this fonts are installed, the LeRoy.sib will also show something ? For now it's only a blank page if I open it in Sibelius 5.

Last question : do you think this LeRoy Package is usable for writting Luis Milan's Vihuela music for example ?

Sorry for all this questions, but I need to clarify in case I want to use it. Many thanks for your patience.

Jean Jacques

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 24 May 10:03PM
.ttf are Truetype fonts
.dfont is a Truetype font suitcase for Macintosh with datafork attached

The .dfont files are symbols fonts similar to Opus.dfont which probably behaves the same way in Fontbook. Simply copy all the .ttf and .dfont (Mac Users only) files into your fonts folder and they should work fine.

Whether this package is appropriate for Luis Milan, I couldn't say. He is the main vihuelist who used what we call "Spanish" tablature.

You might pose such a question on a specific forum such as

http://lutegroup.ning.com/

I would create a short example, print it to PDF, post it on the forum and ask for reactions.

The file LeRoy.sib is indeed blank. Simply open it and export as a Manuscript paper. Then start a new score, under all the Manuscript Paper listings select LeRoy.

This works the same as starting a new score using the blank manuscript paper--you must add the instruments you choose to write for.

So with the Leroy Manuscript Paper selected, add instruments as you normally would (you'll see lutes and some new additions), continue through to the end of the Score Creation Wizard. You'll end up with a new score to start adding music to.

Hope this helps and that you enjoy this package.


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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Jean Jacques Reymond - 25 May 12:20AM
Many thanks Steve, this helps a lot - I will enquire about "Spanish tablature".

Jean Jacques

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Francesco - 25 May 08:17AM
Wow Steve, what a wonderful thing have you done and given to us!

THANK YOU!!!

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Tobias Escher - 25 May 01:28PM
That's really impressive, Steve!
Would you be willing to include this in the unofficial Sibelius Wiki (url see my signature)?
This is exactly the content we opened the WIKI for!
If you have any questions or need assistence, please contact me.
I would be proud to have you onboard.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 25 May 06:57PM
Thanks for everyone's compliments. Tobias, thanks for your interest. You're certainly welcome to include information about this project. I don't claim to be an expert in the subject. I know and love working with Sibelius and have worked at my own methods for implementing music in this style. I might get a B- in sophomore music history.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Tobias Escher - 25 May 08:10PM
Thank you!
I will have a deeper look at your package and will then reference to it on the WIKI.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Alvaro Buitrago - 26 May 08:22AM
THANKS!!

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by SteveM - 26 May 08:32PM
Thank you for sharing this work! It is fabulous & come just at the right time for me as I was about to embark on the task of rewriting all my tatty hand writen lute tab - and I find this today, downloaded it, got it up & running & have completed my first galliard. It works perfectly except that for me the dotted lute rhythm shift+Num3 does not work. However I can access the symbol with a right click into the text menu.
Thanks again.
Steve

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 27 May 02:00AM (edited 27 May 02:04AM)
This is great Steve. Glad to hear you're going straight to work.

Regarding the dotted 8th--is this problem when using LuteNotes4H.ttf? If so, please read the user guide P8 paragraph 3 "To add a dotted rhythm, there are two options...". If using Lutenotes4H.ttf, you're forced to use the second method and type a period after the note, i.e. "3.". Lutenotes4H combines LuteNotes 1, 2 & 3 into one font with noteheads and by doing this, requires the mentioned method.

Didn't I create enough confusion here? Sorry. The appendix on P 17 explains this a little further, visually.

If you were using another font, please let me know. It shouldn't be an issue.

EDIT: One additional thought occurred: If you are using a keyboard other than American English, that might be where the issue lies.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by SteveM - 27 May 09:33AM
Hi Steve
thanks for the reply.
I'm using an English keyboard. Looking at your keymapping chart on p.17 you show the dotted notes using shift as !@#$%^& whereas using shift on my keyboard gives !"£$%^& and therein could lie the problem - although when I type @ using different keystrokes I get the correct dotted rhythm but when I type # I don't.
Anyway I can work around it and I feel bad even mentioning it when you have supplied such a great package for free!
By the way I've completed my second piece of lute tab and they look fantastic - much better than with the default Sibelius lute tab. Great work, thanks again,
Steve

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 27 May 11:33AM
I suppose this is a typically American oversight. Can you find the dotted eighth note using Character Map (Windows) or a utility such as Pop Char (Mac)?

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 27 May 12:41PM
I'm learning keyboards as I go.

I will study Wikipedia's keyboard layout page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout

I think I can come up with a solution for all QWERTY and QWERTZ keyboard layouts and possibly AZERTY but I may need to make a different set of fonts for AZERTY layouts. More to come.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by SteveM - 27 May 02:03PM
Thanks for replying.
I've looked at the keyboard layouts on the wiki link you gave and my keyboard has an extra key on the ASDF etc. line, before the enter key, comparing it to the American keyboard layout. To type @ I need to use the shift key which is probably why the dotted mimim rhythm (second shape in LeRoyLuteNotes 1) woks. To type # does not require the shift key which is probably why the 3rd shape does not work.
I've checked the Windows character map & it gives 'U+0023: number sign' for the dotted crotchet symbol.
Thanks again
Steve

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 28 May 12:33PM
I have copied certain glyphs to various character slots using the Wikipedia examples as a guide. Hopefully, I have made the rhythm fonts usable for everyone using Sibelius and the Roman alphabet. Not having any of these keyboards at my disposal, I can only hope they work.

If anyone wants to give them a test spin, I'll send you a copy directly. In a couple of days, I will update the link above with the revised fonts included.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by SteveM - 28 May 03:07PM
Hi Steve
I didn't mean to cause you any work when I mentioned the dotted rhythm not working with the keystrokes on my keyboard. But a big thank you from me anyway. If you are redoing some of the charactermaps I will download them & let you know how they are working on my keyboard.
Thanks again. I can't stop using your fonts - I've had to force myself to stop in case I get RSI!

Steve

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute tablature and Mensural Styles
Posted by Steve Horn - 29 May 01:26PM (edited 30 May 01:20AM)
Thanks to SteveM, I have a new upload, a package with revised fonts that work better on various keyboard layouts including English, French, German, Dutch, Scandinavian, Spanish, Australian, Irish and hopefully more.
Thank you, SteveM, for your help.

http://www.websentia.us/sibeliusExtras/LeroyEarlyMusicPackageforSibeliusv101.zip

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Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - Lute... - Steve Horn, 24 May 07:49PM
     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Jean Jacques Reymond, 24 May 09:09PM
         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 24 May 10:03PM
             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Jean Jacques Reymond, 25 May 12:20AM
                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Francesco, 25 May 08:17AM
                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Tobias Escher, 25 May 01:28PM
                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 25 May 06:57PM
                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Tobias Escher, 25 May 08:10PM
                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Alvaro Buitrago, 26 May 08:22AM
                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 26 May 08:32PM
                                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 02:00AM
                                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 27 May 09:33AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 11:33AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 27 May 12:41PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 27 May 02:03PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 28 May 12:33PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - SteveM, 28 May 03:07PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Early Music Style for Sibelius - ... - Steve Horn, 29 May 01:26PM