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Huh? - Richard Ratner, 04 May 11:14PM

Re: Huh? - Adrian Drover, 05 May 07:02AM

Re: Huh? - Bob Zawalich, 06 May 09:00AM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 12:00PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 12:02PM

Re: Huh? - Robin Walker, 06 May 12:59PM

Re: Huh? - Robin Walker, 06 May 12:39PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 05:07PM

Re: Huh? - Justin at Sibelius, 06 May 10:34PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 07 May 12:22AM

Re: Huh? - Justin at Sibelius, 07 May 03:14PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 07 May 03:32PM

Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 04 May 11:14PM

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First of all, %t wildcard for pdf export doesn't work anymore. But more seriously, what happened to the beaming part of keypad?? It used to be so simple, beam to the right connect to the right, same for the left, individual tail separates the note. Now there's some incomprehensible gobbledegook. It wasn't broke - why did they "fix" it?

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Adrian Drover - 05 May 07:02AM (edited 05 May 07:07AM)

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I agree wholeheartedly, Richard. The virtual keypad is now an absolute mess. Luckily, I completely reconfigured my keypad presses many years ago and use shortcuts which still work from easy memory. I don't need to see the virtual abortion which now prevails. [Alt] 1, 2, 3 & 0 on the numpad give me start, middle, end and no beam. Simple!

Re: Huh?
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 06 May 09:00AM (edited 06 May 09:01AM)

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Re: %t It seems to be working for me (see screenshots). My guess is that %t is the equivalent of the \$Title\ keyword, so make sure that the title field in Score Info is filled in, and that adding the
\$Title\ wildcard to a score will display the title info from Score Info.

If you are getting different results, could you please post a snippet of a score that shows the problem? Also, which version number of Sibelius and which operating system are you using?

Re: the keypad. As far as I can tell, the buttons in the new keypad have exactly the same controls at the one in Sib 6. (See screenshot). The notes are flipped, which is different, but I don't really think that should be confusing. The only control that looks significantly different is the "no beam" control.

One can certainly prefer the old single-8th note-no-beam button, but I personally find the new control icons to be clear, and I think they would be more obvious to new users than the old ones were.

I really can't see the describing the keypad as an absolute mess. If it is too hard to distinguish the ghost notes from the other part of the icon, that could be a problem. But I find the ghost notes clear and think that a note with a dot is more obvious than just a dot, for example.

And as Adrian says, the shortcuts still work exactly as before.

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 06 May 12:00PM

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Hi Bob,

Thanks for your reply. I wrongly assumed that %t derived its content from the title text in the score. The title field was blank in the score properties. I didn't try it but I'm sure that will fix it. The weird part is that this is not a new score and I've printed pdfs many times without issue.

Re the keypad, I was trying to do something that used to be so simple - unbeam selected eighth notes. I selected all of the notes that I wanted alone via advanced filter. There used to be a button with an eighth note with a tail. When I went to use the beam layout, there was a button with the same plus another beam. What on earth is that supposed to mean? I pressed the button. It worked only on notes that were beamed in one direction - I couldn't get it to work on beams in the other direction and finally with much grumbling changed the beaming pattern of the measure with T. Perhaps it got confused because I selected a number of notes. Also, when you used to select a layout, you would naturally also unselect your previous layout. Now I see that when beaming e.g. is selected, the first layout button is still blue. What is that supposed to mean? I don't get it. I'd love to understand what problem this thing is supposed to have solved. Sheesh, with all of the things I've been wanting Sib to do for over a decade, this is what my subscription dollars bought?

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 06 May 12:02PM

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I just thought of something. I've never had to fill in the title field of score properties manually before. Is it possible that Sib is no longer inserting whatever is in title text into the title field?

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Robin Walker - 06 May 12:59PM

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> Is it possible that Sib is no longer inserting whatever is in title text into the title field?

Sibelius has never done that.

If wildcards are not used, the only circumstance in which the content of the Title field on the Score Info page matches the content of the Title in the score itself would be if the Title was typed in during the Quick Start "New Score" procedure.

Otherwise, the fields in the Score Info page will remain blank, regardless of what was entered into text fields in the score.

The only function of the fields in the Score Info page is to define what text will replace the Wildcard of that field-name when that Wildcard is used in a text object in the score.

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Robin Walker - 06 May 12:39PM (edited 06 May 12:40PM)

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> There used to be a button with an eighth note with a tail.
> When I went to use the beam layout, there was a button with the same plus another beam.
> What on earth is that supposed to mean?

The meaning of each button is confirmed by the tooltip that appears when hovering the mouse cursor over the button: in this case "No beam". See attached screen-shot. The meaning of this button remains the same as it has always been.

> I pressed the button. It worked only on notes that were beamed in one direction - I couldn't get it to work on beams in the other direction

I cannot reproduce that issue. When I multi-select notes at the beginnings and ends of beams, and click the "No beam" button, both types of note become un-beamed.

> when you used to select a layout, you would naturally also unselect your previous layout.
> Now I see that when beaming e.g. is selected, the first layout button is still blue.
> What is that supposed to mean?

This feature re-instates the original behaviour of the Keypad (as documented in the Sibelius Reference), which was accidentally lost in Sibelius version 8.0 onwards.

The currently active Keypad layout is dark blue. All other layouts for which the currently selected object has buttons activated (coloured) are light blue. This serves as advice to the user that the currently selected object has Keypad options set which are not visible in the current layout.

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 06 May 05:07PM

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Thanks for your reply and for informing me about the light blue vs. dark blue. I guess that feature sort of makes sense. "The meaning of this button remains the same as it has always been." So I guess it begs the question, why change the look of the button if its function is the same (which it clearly wasn't for me)? After I had my experience, I chose one of the notes it didn't change and pressed the button - nothing. Now I will admit that I'm not completely sure whether the notes that did not respond all shared a beam direction - I might be midremembering, but the fact that the button did nothing to any single note of the notes it didn't change on the first try is for sure right. I will open the file and try to find the place it happened, then attach a file to a reply.
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Re: Huh?
Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 06 May 10:34PM

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The icons all were revised in an effort to convert them to vector graphics. This enabled the resizable keypad. The design was also updated to be more consistent and legible across the whole set. The functions of the buttons have not changed.

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 07 May 12:22AM

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"The icons all were revised in an effort to convert them to vector graphics." Unfortunately I have no idea what that means. On the beam page, the button that I found odd and that didn't work properly for me is the only one with two noteheads on it (except for tremolo of course). The previous button had only one with a tail - what it was supposed to do was obvious. Now in addition to that one with a tail is one with a beam to the left. If its function is the same as it used to be, it is supposed to make the chosen note look like the one with a tail. So what is the point of the added note on the button?

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 07 May 03:14PM

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It clarifies that the button is meant to *break* a beam, i.e. if you select a 16th note that's usually beamed, it will cause it to break away from the beam and have a flag. This makes it clearer what the button does than just a lone flagged note because you can have a flagged note without a beam in other circumstances where the button would have no effect.

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Re: Huh?
Posted by Richard Ratner - 07 May 03:32PM

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"It clarifies that the button is meant to *break* a beam"

Sorry, but given the fact that the button just below it with an icon identical to the left side of the new icon means to *connect* a beam leftwise and has always meant that, the new double note icon is not only counterintuitive, it is self-contradictory.
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Huh? - Richard Ratner, 04 May 11:14PM

Re: Huh? - Adrian Drover, 05 May 07:02AM

Re: Huh? - Bob Zawalich, 06 May 09:00AM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 12:00PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 12:02PM

Re: Huh? - Robin Walker, 06 May 12:59PM

Re: Huh? - Robin Walker, 06 May 12:39PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 06 May 05:07PM

Re: Huh? - Justin at Sibelius, 06 May 10:34PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 07 May 12:22AM

Re: Huh? - Justin at Sibelius, 07 May 03:14PM

Re: Huh? - Richard Ratner, 07 May 03:32PM