Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 28 Apr 09:38PM (edited 28 Apr 09:42PM) Hide picture Hi folks, I am trying to use a new House Style other than Jazz Inkpen. I have actually found the default HS (selectable whilst creating a new project) to be more universally preferred. In Jazz Inkpen (of which I have used for over 200 charts) I was readily able to create NEW symbols based upon existing ones. However, this does not seem to be the case with the below score. (Please see attached.) I am specifically trying to edit/resize/bold-text the notations for: scoops, falls, trills - I feel they would benefit from such adjustments. I am referring to landmarks: B-7, D-8, E-1, and U-3. I have been on this bloody situation since Wednesday! I watched a ton of You Tube videos but they were all using v7.0, or similar (not sure if that makes any difference?). I also asked a couple of professional Sibelius friends I have and even they could not get it to work either! (they are both on Ultimate). My only thought was that maybe, somehow, the file got corrupted? btw - The thick wavy-line in the brass at D-8 looks wonderful, thanks for your help! Many thanks in advance for any kind assistance offered here. Best, Paul David Seaman (UK) Sibelius 8.6 (v. 2018.1 / build 1449 / born 2018-01-22) Dell Inspiron 3737, Windows 10, 16GB RAM, 1.70gHz, 64-bit, Intel Core i3. paulseaman1 (at) hotmail (dot) com Attachment Columbus_Copy.sib (130K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Apr 11:08PM (edited 28 Apr 11:10PM) Hide picture I suspect you didn't so much create new Symbols as edit the existing Scoop etc. symbols to use a larger font size. The Scoop symbol uses a character from the Text Style 'Special Symbols'. Make a copy of that style set to Bold and a larger size. You can keep the font as 'Opus Special Std' or experiment with the 'Special Std' font from another of the font families supplied with Sibelius. Finally, edit the symbol to use that style instead. Screenshot attached of a ridiculously oversized scoop, just for demonstration! (Shouldn't 'wah' be written over every note that requires it, like any other articulation?) Attachment Screenshot 2024-04-29 000447.png (79K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Apr 06:28AM Hide picture I have created a Special Symbols Large font for these articulations at 36pt rel to 7mm staff. This suits me fine (attached). Sib's shipped default is 19.5pt. Attachment artics.png (4K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 08:11PM (edited 29 Apr 09:29PM) Hide picture > (Shouldn't 'wah' be written over every note that requires it, like any other articulation?) LP - Would ellipses suffice? Cheers. Attachment wah.png (101K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 29 Apr 09:10PM Hide picture What’s the problem with notating fully? You put all the scoops in, why not all the ‘wah’s? Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 09:20PM (edited 29 Apr 09:29PM) Hide picture > Finally, edit the symbol to use that style instead. LP - Sorry!, I can only get thus far ;-/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 09:21PM Hide picture Attachments Special_Symbols.png (135K), Columbus_Copy.sib (130K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 09:28PM Hide picture > I have created a Special Symbols Large font for these articulations at 36pt rel to 7mm staff. This suits me fine (attached). Sib's shipped default is 19.5pt. Ade - OK, cheers. Being a jazz blower, I was very interested to hear your opinion. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 09:34PM Hide picture > What’s the problem with notating fully? You put all the scoops in, why not all the ‘wah’s? LP - You mean like so? Attachment Wah_3.png (89K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 29 Apr 09:40PM Hide picture No need for parantheses. What do the circles mean? Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 29 Apr 10:03PM (edited 29 Apr 10:30PM) Hide picture > No need for parantheses. What do the circles mean? Well, right or wrong, that's what I learned at college! 'O' for open and '+' for closed (as per drummers' hi-hats). I would have thought this would be beyond stating the ultra obvious; albeit Sib. 'stacks' the open/closed notations the term 'wah' reinforces the intention of the arranger. Attachment Wah_6.png (92K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 30 Apr 07:04AM (edited 30 Apr 07:08AM) Hide picture That looks ridiculous. The closed character should be written to the left of the open character, a la "+o" instead of above it (see attached) No need for "wah". It's already obviously a wah indication. Use regular technique text to write this. It won't play, but does it matter? Attachment wah.png (4K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 30 Apr 11:45AM (edited 30 Apr 02:48PM) Hide picture You COULD notate 'wah' as '+o', closed and then open. But, for a straightforward single wah on a reasonably short note, just 'wah' is OK. You also need to specify Harmon, plunger or h.o.b. I suppose. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 30 Apr 02:45PM Hide picture > Use regular technique text to write this. It won't play, but does it matter? Ade - Ok cheers, I think I used Plain Staff Text. I'm not to bothered about playback but I'll whack it in Technique Text nevertheless. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 30 Apr 02:52PM (edited 01 May 12:11AM) Hide picture > The closed character should be written to the left of the open character, a la "+o" instead of above it Ade - I can't seem to get the characters to sit side by side, only above and below - unless you have to manipulate their positions using the XY Axis within the Inspector? Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 30 Apr 06:27PM Hide picture ... Ade - where are you sourcing your '+/0' characters from, please? - page 4 of the keypad, or from the CTRL+T dialogue? I ask because this may be causing my 'positioning' issue? I noticed your icons are subtly different in terms of their design. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 30 Apr 07:45PM Hide picture Technique text. Don't use symbols. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 30 Apr 07:58PM (edited 30 Apr 09:09PM) Hide picture > Technique text. Don't use symbols. Thanks Ade. I can see the '+' but not the 'open' character?, sorry! Your '+' looks very stylish with its right-arm being slightly offset! Attachment TECH.png (20K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 May 12:09AM Hide picture Is it not a simple lower-case letter 'o'? You're not restricted to the selection offered in the R-click menu for any particular Text Style. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 01 May 12:14AM (edited 01 May 12:14AM) Hide picture > Is it not a simple lower-case letter 'o'? You're not restricted to the selection offered in the R-click menu for any particular Text Style. S**t!, I didn't even realise that. Lol. Thanks a lot for the pointer, Laurence. I'll try it out tomorrow... Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 01 May 06:46AM (edited 01 May 06:48AM) Hide picture Regarding the "+o" articulation, I may be wrong, but in actual performance, I think one gets a natural pitch scoop, so it doesn't need to be written, or is it just the way I normally lip it in practice? I know that I can fake a plunger mute or HOB effect to a certain extent with chops only. What does the average brass player think? Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 01 May 05:21PM (edited 01 May 05:50PM) Hide picture Cheers LP, I just performed a basic CTRL+T (and totally blew out the R-click menu). I have managed to somewhat emulate Adrian's notation - I have uploaded an example here contrasting the 'zero' vs. 'letter-O'. Inputting the characters this way actually results in a very robust result in that the two characters are conveniently fixed together. I don't know which font Adrian is using here as his right-side-horizontal (of the '+') has a cool upward-bend in it's appearance? And he may have resized the 'O' because mine is disproportionate in both cases. Paul Attachment WAH_6.png (175K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 01 May 05:35PM (edited 01 May 05:36PM) Hide picture ...if you notice, Ade lines up (vertically) the cross with the stem of each minim (see uppermost system). I did actually wonder where the most suited position would fall. Attachment WAH_7.png (154K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 01 May 05:54PM (edited 01 May 05:54PM) Hide picture ... I nudged up the size of the 'o' to match the '+', and placed one system in 'bold'. 'Italic' looked a bit peculiar!, I found. Attachment WAH_8.png (183K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 01 May 05:55PM Hide picture Attachment Columbus_Copy.sib (131K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 01 May 10:08PM Hide picture You need to get your scoops closer to the notes. Engraving Rules Jazz Articulations is the place to do this. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 02 May 05:21PM Hide picture > You need to get your scoops closer to the notes. Engraving Rules Jazz Articulations is the place to do this. Thanks Ade - Well I currently have the very same issue in both the score and parts, actually. I'll see if I can take a look into applying your adjustments. Incidentally, I would also like to place the scoops in 'bold'. Paul Attachment SCOOP_2.png (48K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 02 May 06:36PM (edited 02 May 06:51PM) Hide picture > Engraving Rules Jazz Articulations is the place to do this. The two methods I have tried are my original one in which I attach a scoop from Notations/Symbols, and try to drag the character into place (which clearly is not working because of collisions). Accidentals are causing massive issues here. Also, the wide range of values I input into the related Engraving Rules verbatim have no effect whatsoever over the scoop characters from Symbols. Thanks. Attachment SCOOP_3.png (12K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 02 May 06:46PM Hide picture ...from the manual I learned of an alternative method in using the 'tadpoles' on Keypad-F11. Here, the 'positioning' values of Engraving Rules DO have an effect on the scoops. At the moment it's fine for 'natural' notes, but once an accidental is applied collisions begin. Also, I'm not sure this method would suffice because, as mentioned, I am ultimately looking to resize/bold such characters? Attachment SCOOP_4.png (62K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 03 May 07:03AM Hide picture It's easier to get falls, scoops, plops & doits from Jazz Articulations on your numpad or virtual keypad. I have configured my own shortcuts using the forward slash & back slash keys. But you might well need to tweak their positioning relative to the notehead in Engraving Rules. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 03 May 04:11PM Hide picture > It's easier to get falls, scoops, plops & doits from Jazz Articulations on your numpad or virtual keypad...But you might well need to tweak their positioning relative to the notehead in Engraving Rules. These three scoops were sourced from (F11) keypad. But as you can see, their positionings still greatly suffer the dilemma of 'accidentals/natural' notation. The first two sit fine, while the final is way off skew. Attachment SCOOP_5.png (28K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 03 May 04:29PM (edited 03 May 05:18PM) Hide picture ...I set the Jazz Articulations 'Distances' to '1.5 - that's after a ton of experimentation! As per above, it kinda' works for the note-heads which are preceded by an accidental. To get it to work with a non-accidental note-head, surely you would need a separate 'dedicated' settings option? If may be so bold as to ask, I have been totally stuck on this since prior to Wednesday. Could you please share the values you input because I honestly don't get it? I should have completely finished the whole piece off by now, I can't believe it! lol Attachment SCOOP_6.png (7K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 04 May 07:36AM (edited 04 May 07:44AM) Hide picture See my settings attached. Seems to work OK for me. My jazz symbols are set to 36pt in my Special Symbols Large text style. I do tho' sometimes need to manually tweak when accidentals are present in main score and transposed parts. Attachment jazz artics.png (50K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 04 May 03:38PM Hide picture OK, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. I'll take a look later on... Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 May 05:08PM (edited 05 May 06:05PM) Hide picture ... thanks a lot guys. This is how I notate a 'fall'. Because it's a long line encompassing a wide range, it should be obvious the instruction is for the player to execute a LONG fall. I always used to state "long fall" in parenthesis, but I have since omitted this verbal notice as it is superfluous. Anyway, do you think the 'line' is BOLD enough as it is (by default)?, or would you create a new Symbol and beef it up a bit? Thanks. Attachment LINE.png (92K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 May 06:02PM (edited 05 May 06:03PM) Hide picture I normally use the Fall from Keypad 5 for a short fall, the wiggly gliss line for a long one. 'Long fall' text can be useful. But I'm sure your players will understand the straight line. I found this. I'm sure there are things to disagree with in it, but seems pretty good. https://www.evanrogersmusic.com/blog-contents/big-band-arranging/articulation . Attachment Screenshot 2024-05-05 190133.png (7K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 May 06:22PM Hide picture > But I'm sure your players will understand the straight line. LP - Thanks for agreeing with me! ;-) That linked page is great!, cheers. But you know, I have found that with big-band writing, the ERA can often set the rules as to which articulations you apply, and also their frequency. However, I think it was Ellington who broke the rules (again) and wrote NO articulations! The reason, I forgot to mention, I use a 'straight' line for a 'fall' is because it's appearance is significantly different from that of the 'shake'. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 May 06:28PM (edited 05 May 06:29PM) Hide picture Lead trombone excerpt: 'shake' followed by a 'fall'. As you can see, the former, I think, may be overshadowing the latter in terms of it's 'boldness'? Attachment LINE_2.png (83K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 May 06:31PM Hide picture LP - Your 'tadpole' fall from F11, I feel, would look too short to signify a LONG fall? Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Laurence Payne - 07 May 11:42PM Hide picture > LP - Your 'tadpole' fall from F11, I feel, would look too short to signify a LONG fall? Which is why I wrote "I normally use the Fall from Keypad 5 for a short fall, the wiggly gliss line for a long one." Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 07 May 11:57PM Hide picture > Which is why I wrote "I normally use the Fall from Keypad 5 for a short fall, the wiggly gliss line for a long one." My bad, brain not functioning. Feel like I have Covid again, but I came up negative on the test today. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by Adrian Drover - 08 May 06:32AM Hide picture Had my springtime covid booster yesterday. Sore arm this morning. Good job it's not my mouse arm. Brain seems OK so far. Back to top | All threads

Re: Resizing Texts & Icons Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 08 May 05:57PM Hide picture > Had my springtime covid booster yesterday. Sore arm this morning. Good job it's not my mouse arm. Brain seems OK so far. I took a home-test kit yesterday. I might try it again tonight as it could have been a false-positive. I was supposed to have a Covid jab last Saturday but cancelled it as I was feeling run-down - and I really glad I did miss it now! Back to top | All threads