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Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Geoff Kingston, 08 Apr 06:18AM
     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Sam at Sibelius, 08 Apr 10:39AM
         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - shawns858, 08 Apr 04:35PM
             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Howard Lorriman, 08 Apr 05:01PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ronald Krentzman, 08 Apr 05:17PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 05:54PM
             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 05:44PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Howard Lorriman, 08 Apr 06:40PM
                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - shawns858, 08 Apr 09:38PM
                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 10:34PM
                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Bob Zawalich, 09 Apr 08:05PM
                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - TheHiltzBass, 24 Apr 07:37PM
                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 25 Apr 10:11AM
                                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 08:41PM
                                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 08:43PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 20 Aug 09:18PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 09:47PM
                                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 20 Aug 09:17PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 09:50PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - AnnaHartmann, 15 Apr 09:17AM
                                                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 15 Apr 01:26PM

Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Geoff Kingston - 08 Apr 06:18AM
I have used Sibelius since Version 1 and have upgraded over the years through all the various platforms - even moving to the annual subscription, which I have recently paid, and ensuring that I have the full version with all upgrades as they come on stream. I have just received an email saying that despite my up-to-date subscription my platform will be downgraded to Sibelius First and will no longer enjoy the benefits of the full programme. What have I been paying for? I now find that despite my loyalty I am now being offered a inferior platform. Another money spinner for Avid?

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 08 Apr 10:39AM
Hi Geoff,

Sorry to hear of the confusion. I've checked your account and you don't have a subscription at all but a perpetual license of Sibelius. This means you'll always have Sibelius Ultimate and won't ever be down-graded. The software update and support plan is also valid for a long while so you have access to the latest update we've just released.

The email you received doesn't sound right either. Can you forward it to me so I can check it out?

Sam

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[email protected] | @avid_sam | @AvidSibelius

Contact the Sibelius support team:
www.sibelius.com/documents/contact_form.html

KB and other resources:
www.sibelius.com/support

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by shawns858 - 08 Apr 04:35PM
I am having the same issue - I own a perpetual license of Sibelius. When I try to open Sibelius Ultimate after updating, it gives me a window (image attached) telling me that I cannot use my copy of Sibelius until I renew my subscription (a hefty price for a poor college student). What happened to "Buy it once and own it forever"?
Attachment sibeliusultimate.png (15K)

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Howard Lorriman - 08 Apr 05:01PM
This is getting me worried. I paid for the 3 year upgrade plan. Although I still use 6.2, I hope I can access the FULL Sibelius if and when I want/need to.

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Sib 6.2 Dell Inspiron 9400 Windows XP 2GB Ram
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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Ronald Krentzman - 08 Apr 05:17PM
I was having the same problem until I went to the My Avid web site and logged into my account. From there I was able to download the correct update.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Ingrid - 08 Apr 05:54PM
> This is getting me worried. I paid for the 3 year upgrade plan. Although I still use 6.2, I hope I can access the FULL Sibelius if and when I want/need to.
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> Sib 6.2 Dell Inspiron 17R Windows 8.1 16GB Ram
> Sib 6.2 Dell Inspiron 9400 Windows XP 2GB Ram
> Sibelius7 for Acorn Risc PC 700


Hi @Howard,

Yes! Upon checking, you currently have Sibelius | Ultimate (full version) in your My Avid Account. If ever you encounter issues with the downloads, please let us know right away.


Best,
Ingrid | Sibelius Support

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Ingrid - 08 Apr 05:44PM
> I am having the same issue - I own a perpetual license of Sibelius. When I try to open Sibelius Ultimate after updating, it gives me a window (image attached) telling me that I cannot use my copy of Sibelius until I renew my subscription (a hefty price for a poor college student). What happened to "Buy it once and own it forever"?


Hi @ shawns858,

Have you tried performing the license reset fix to get rid of this message?

If you haven't, please follow the steps below for a fix. If the problem persists, please let us know right away so that we could create a case for you.

- Right-click on the task bar > Task Manager > Processes
- Select the AvidApplicationManager.exe then click on "End Task"
- Select the AvidAppManHelper.exe then click on "End Task"
- On your keyboard, press the [Windows Key] + [R]
- type %programdata% then press [Enter].
- Go to Avid > Licenses
- Then delete the whole 'Licenses' Folder
- After that go back to Avid > Common
- On the window that opens, delete all files inside the Common folder.
- Empty the Recycling Bin, then restart the computer.


Best,
Ingrid | Sibelius Support

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Howard Lorriman - 08 Apr 06:40PM
Many thanks Ingrid for your quick reply.
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Sib 6.2 Dell Inspiron 9400 Windows XP 2GB Ram
Sibelius7 for Acorn Risc PC 700

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by shawns858 - 08 Apr 09:38PM
@Ingrid,
I have just done so, this did not help.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Ingrid - 08 Apr 10:34PM
Hi @shawns858,

Created a case for you: 03444932.


Best,
Ingrid | Sibelius Support

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 09 Apr 08:05PM
We need to be careful to understand the specific meaning of words that are used by Avid. A "subscription" is used to describe a version of Sibelius that is not full owned. You do not make a big payment up-front. You pay monthly or annually and you can use it as long as your subscription is active, and you have paid to get all updates during the subscription period. When the subscription runs out you can no longer use that version of Sibelius(Ultimate). You can start another subscription at any time and start again.

If you have a perpetual license, which is what we all used to have, you can use that version of Sibelius indefinitely. If you have a software update and support plan, you get all updates for the duration of that plan.

If you do not have a software update and support plan, or do not renew one that has run out, you can still use the version of Sibelius you were using, but you are not eligible for updates.

At the moment, if you need to renew an active support plan, it will cost $89 USD. If you go out of support and want to get back on it will cost $199 USD, which is really not bad, especially compared to what it has cost earlier.

But the main point is that if you have a subscription you do not have a perpetual license, and it will stop working when the subscription runs out.





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Bob

An experienced user of Sibelius. Sib 1.2 - 8, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit, 32 G RAM. Year 2018.
For plugin lookup and categories see https://www.nycmusicservices.com/musicresources
For manual plugin installation see http://www.sibelius.com/download/plugins/index.html?help=install

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by TheHiltzBass - 24 Apr 07:37PM
I am having this problem too. My Avid account shows "Perpetual Product". I clicked the upgrade only because my Avid Application Manager prompted me. I certainly would not have clicked if I had known it would require me to pay an additional $390CAD/year to use the product I've already paid for. I have been using Sibelius 8.5 without a support plan since April of last year (2017). I am on a Mac, I tried to download and reinstall Sibelius 8.5, but it stalls on the Verifying "Install Sibelius" popup.

I don't have time for this. How do I remedy this quickly and continue using the product I've paid for?

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Apr 10:11AM
> I tried to download and reinstall Sibelius 8.5, but it stalls on the Verifying "Install Sibelius" popup.

This is a macOS problem, not a Sibelius one.
See, for instance:
http://osxdaily.com/2016/07/26/fix-stuck-pkg-verifying-installer-mac-os-x/

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Sibelius 2018.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.8.2, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop, and Microsoft Surface Book.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Marilyn - 20 Aug 08:41PM
I purchased my original version of Sibelius years and years ago for whatever it cost. Then in 2012, I paid £128.88 for a 7.1.2 upgrade. When orange juice was spilt over my computer and almost everything was wiped off my hard drive, I was unable to download Sibelius 7 on my new computer. Instead, I have a choice between Sibelius First (which is way inferior to Sibelius 7) and paying a new subscription for Sibelius Ultimate. Why do I have to pay all over again to have access to Sibelius which is not inferior to Sibelius 7?

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Marilyn - 20 Aug 08:43PM
Also, when I go to My Aviv, and my products - it shows only Sibelius First. No sign of the previous version of Sibelius or upgrade which I purchased.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Robin Walker - 20 Aug 09:18PM
> Also, when I go to My Aviv, and my products - it shows only Sibelius First.
> No sign of the previous version of Sibelius or upgrade which I purchased.

You probably purchased your original Sibelius long ago before My Avid existed, and possibly even under a different identity.

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Sibelius 2018.7/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.8.2, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop, and Microsoft Surface Book.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Marilyn - 20 Aug 09:47PM
It was with a different email address. My upgrade was paid to Avid Technologies - actually in December 2011. I have the System ID and Activation ID for my original Sibelius subscription..

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Robin Walker - 20 Aug 09:17PM
> I was unable to download Sibelius 7 on my new computer.

Why not? Sibelius 7 still works.

> and paying a new subscription for Sibelius Ultimate.
> Why do I have to pay all over again

Since you already have a perpetual licence for Sibelius 7.1, you do not need a "new" anything. All you need to do is purchase the upgrade to the latest version (which is now called Sibelius Ultimate, version 2018.7)

See https://www.avid.com/sibelius-ultimate/upgrades-and-renewals

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Sibelius 2018.7/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.8.2, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop, and Microsoft Surface Book.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Marilyn - 20 Aug 09:50PM
Sibelius 7 still works if you already have it. But it is not available to download if you lose it.

I've just purchased Sibelius Ultimate for £19.90 pcm. I think that's more than just the upgrade.

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by AnnaHartmann - 15 Apr 09:17AM
Hi. I am having the same problem. I have switched to a new computer, and I cannot find any download files or options for the full version of Sibelius 7, only "updates" on their Legacy Sibelius Software-site. It also seems like the Sibelius-team Ingird and Sam have stopped answering this post. Is it really so that I don't have the option anymore to use the original Sibelius 7 at all, and that I now HAVE to pay to purchase Sibelius Ultimate (which is now €69.99)?

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Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade?
Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Apr 01:26PM
> I cannot find any download files or options for the full version of Sibelius 7

A full installer for Sibelius 7.1.3 is available from:
https://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/updates/sib7_1_3.html

Full installers for the Sibelius 7.1.2 Sounds sample library are available from:
http://secure.avid.com/services/avid/kb/downloads.cfm?digiArticleId=44152
(all four downloads and installations required).

Depending on the version of operating system on your new computer (which you have not told us), then Sibelius 7 might not work correctly, or might not be capable of being activated. Please check these possibilities before investing in trying to use Sibelius 7 on a new computer.

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Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Geoff Kingston, 08 Apr 06:18AM
     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Sam at Sibelius, 08 Apr 10:39AM
         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - shawns858, 08 Apr 04:35PM
             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Howard Lorriman, 08 Apr 05:01PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ronald Krentzman, 08 Apr 05:17PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 05:54PM
             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 05:44PM
                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Howard Lorriman, 08 Apr 06:40PM
                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - shawns858, 08 Apr 09:38PM
                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Ingrid, 08 Apr 10:34PM
                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Bob Zawalich, 09 Apr 08:05PM
                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - TheHiltzBass, 24 Apr 07:37PM
                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 25 Apr 10:11AM
                                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 08:41PM
                                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 08:43PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 20 Aug 09:18PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 09:47PM
                                             Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 20 Aug 09:17PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Marilyn, 20 Aug 09:50PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - AnnaHartmann, 15 Apr 09:17AM
                                                         Re: Sibelius Ultimate - Downgrade? - Robin Walker, 15 Apr 01:26PM