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Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 04 Dec 03:26PM
     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - David Madole, 04 Dec 11:06PM
         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 04 Dec 11:11PM
             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 04 Dec 11:56PM
                 Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:02AM
                     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:12AM
                         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Peter Roos, 05 Dec 01:33AM
                             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Andy G, 05 Dec 09:52AM
                                 Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Daniel Spreadbury, 05 Dec 11:48AM
                                     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:20PM
                                         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Phil Gaskill, 05 Dec 03:06PM
                                             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Andy G, 05 Dec 03:35PM

Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Aidan Goldstraw - 04 Dec 03:26PM
I really fear for the future of Sibelius under the Avid banner.

I ordered a Sibelius 6 upgrade, through the web site, on November 11. I got an acknowledgment of my order immediately via email, advising me to allow up to 15 days for delivery.

Those came and went, so I phoned up Sibelius. In the past, you got some courteous and helpful salesperson in their Cambridge HQ. This time, I got the dreaded call centre overture: "Press 1 for x, Press 2 for y etc"

I finally got on to someone who sounded utterly disinterested. After a stage wait he told me there was a problem with my card details.

I asked for details (there were several thousand pounds in the account at the time) but he was unable to tell me why the transaction had failed, nor could he tell me why nobody had contacted me personally to inform me of the problem.

He told me I would have to ring another number blah blah to give them new card details. I was so peed off with them that, with one eye also on the coming financial burden of Christmas, I decided to leave off the upgrade for a while.

This afternoon, I received an e-mail from Avid:

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Dear Sir or Madam,
We are trying to process your order but we do apologize we need updated credit card information. If you could send this to us ie. cc number how name appears on card exp. date and three digit number on the back of the card or if american express the four digit number on the front. After this we can process your order. If you have any questions please contact us back.[/quote]
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So, having failed to contact me for nearly a month, they are expecting me to send credit card credentials via an open email! I emailed them back to tell them in no uncertain terms that this wasn't going to happen and to supply me with a phone number.

They did - an American 888 number (which, FYI, are not toll free from the UK).

I queried this and they wrote back:

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We do apologize the Uk no longer have a phone support and the Us does it all now. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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So what am I supposed to do now?

If this is the level of service Sibelius users can expect from Avid, I foresee stormy waters ahead. As a Sibelius user since new v2, I find it extremely disappointing that a company which was always so helpful appears in danger of going to the dogs - surely the last thing anyone can afford in the current economic climate.

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by David Madole - 04 Dec 11:06PM

One thing NOT to do:

"If you could send this to us ie. cc number how name appears on card exp. date and three digit number on the back of the card or if american express the four digit number on the front."

I can't believe they're asking for this information to be sent to them in a clear text email. To respond to this email as such would be just plain stupid. To request it as such is just plain stupid. Check the SMTP headers on this and make sure it's even from Avid/Sibelius.

Dave

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA - 04 Dec 11:11PM
What is the 888 number? I would like to call it and see if it really is Avid.

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Aidan Goldstraw - 04 Dec 11:56PM
These are the contact details they sent me:

> 1-888-474-2354 (phone)
> 1-636-736-4009 (fax)
> [email protected]

Of course, if it isn't from Avid that's even more worrying, because otherwise how did these people know I had an order which was incomplete?

Dave, obviously I had no intention of sending them CC info in an email!

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Aidan Goldstraw - 05 Dec 12:02AM
Just noticed that the email came from [email protected]. Are Avid using these people (the website looks legit but that means nothing of course) or is this a phishing scam whose MO happened to just dovetail with my individual experience?

Daniel, if you're reading this I'd appreciate some response.

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Aidan Goldstraw - 05 Dec 12:12AM
And thinking about it... if it is legit, how come sensitive data I believed I was submitting for a UK financial transaction get farmed out to a third party in the US without my consent? Data Protection Act, anybody?

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Peter Roos - 05 Dec 01:33AM
I called 888-474-2354 and spoke to a sales rep - from what I can tell, this is really Avid allright, although the website has a different toll free number (http://www.avid.com/products/howtobuy/Index.aspx): 800 949 AVID (2843).

That said, it's weird that you should have to order from the UK directly, or at least somewhere in the EU. After all that is where Sibelius has its roots, not to mention the fact that shipping from outside the EU is expensive and that the pricing policy is different per country.

I'd wait for Daniel to chime in - he is always good at setting things like this straight.


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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Andy G - 05 Dec 09:52AM
...Dear Sir or Madam,
We are trying to process your order but we do apologize we need updated credit card information. If you could send this to us ie. cc number how name appears on card exp. date and three digit number on the back of the card or if american express the four digit number on the front. After this we can process your order. If you have any questions please contact us back....

...We do apologize the Uk no longer have a phone support and the Us does it all now. Sorry for any misunderstanding....

The grammatical errors, lack of captitalization etc. in these two quotes suggest it's not genuinely from Avid. Mind you, I had a query from my web hosting company that contained 23 spelling and grammatical errors, I so nearly binned it and would have lost my domain names....

As for UK support, Daniel's 'signature' includes a UK telephone number.

Andy

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 05 Dec 11:48AM
We have used Customer Direct in the US as our direct phone sales and information line for a number of years, starting well before our acquisition by Avid. Although there is naturally a certain amount of staff turnover in an environment like that, we have had the same core team there for some time. They handle calls to 888-4-SIBELIUS and emails to [email protected].

In the UK, we are no longer taking phone orders from individual customers directly: we are still taking orders from educational institutions directly, but not individuals. If an individual customer wants to order by phone in the UK, they should contact one of our authorised resellers, all of whom offer excellent service and support. Of course, it is still possible to order direct from us via our online store. Technical support is still handled as it has always been by the team in our London office.

In the US, we do still have our team at Customer Direct, at least for the time being. Customers can order by phone at 888-4-SIBELIUS, online at our web store, or from any of our authorised resellers.

With specific reference to Aidan's situation, I would like to invite you to get in touch with me, Aidan, so that I can try to resolve this to your satisfaction. It sounds as if what might have happened is that you placed your order by phone before we stopped handling direct sales calls from individuals, and the problem with your order wasn't resolved before our change in policy. As a result, the order may have been passed over to our team in the US to handle, and there are obviously complications in speaking to people in the US by phone inexpensively, or in transmitting credit card information via email.

So please drop me an email and include your initial order acknowledgement and each of the communications you have exchanged with our various teams since then, and I'll see what I can do to resolve this for you.

Finally, I want to say that Avid is pursuing a strategy of centralising all of the functions that were part of the original, separate business units (Avid, Digidesign, Pinnacle, Sibelius) into a single shared set of functions, in order to reduce duplication and provide a single experience for customers of all of its products and services. There will inevitably be some growing (or shrinking!) pains as this takes place. The process has been ongoing for the last 15 months or so, and I would guess that there is still quite a lot to do in the future. On behalf of all of us at the former Sibelius business, I apologise for any inconvenience this might cause as we complete the transition to the new shared services model.

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Contact Sibelius technical help:
USA & Canada: [email protected] / 1-888-280-9995
UK: [email protected] / +44 (0)20 7561 7997
Australia: [email protected] / 1300 652 172
Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Aidan Goldstraw - 05 Dec 12:20PM
Daniel, thanks for your assistance in this matter - mailing you directly.

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Phil Gaskill - 05 Dec 03:06PM (edited 05 Dec 06:52PM)
> I had a query from my web hosting company that contained 23 spelling and grammatical errors, I so nearly binned it and would have lost my domain names....

Yeah, my web hosting company is, sorry to have to say this (not to be U.S.-centric or, even worse, racist in any way), obviously in Asia somewhere, and they equally obviously have never ever hired an English-speaking person to look over their site and help write their communications. They are otherwise totally competent at what they do, but they're sadly lacking in this one area. If *I* were trying to sell my product to people who speak a foreign language, I certainly would hire at least one person who spoke both languages; but so many people and corporations obviously don't even consider doing this.

EDIT to add "one" to the last sentence.

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Re: Avid sales support a disaster
Posted by Andy G - 05 Dec 03:35PM
I know what you mean, Phil. Mine was a letter, actually typed and posted in Bristol!

I sent them a long letter in reply, with all the corrections. I'm not saying my English 'lesson' worked, but they did a better job this time round.

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Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 04 Dec 03:26PM
     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - David Madole, 04 Dec 11:06PM
         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 04 Dec 11:11PM
             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 04 Dec 11:56PM
                 Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:02AM
                     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:12AM
                         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Peter Roos, 05 Dec 01:33AM
                             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Andy G, 05 Dec 09:52AM
                                 Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Daniel Spreadbury, 05 Dec 11:48AM
                                     Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Aidan Goldstraw, 05 Dec 12:20PM
                                         Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Phil Gaskill, 05 Dec 03:06PM
                                             Re: Avid sales support a disaster - Andy G, 05 Dec 03:35PM