'Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"'

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Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Hugh Cain, 30 Jul 09:49PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Ronald Williams, 30 Jul 10:06PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - PaulK, 30 Jul 10:40PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - ttdawg, 30 Jul 11:10PM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Allan M. Sitar, 31 Jul 12:21AM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David, 31 Jul 03:49AM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Steve Philipp, 31 Jul 05:45AM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Bill Wandel, 31 Jul 12:37PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Ronald Pearl, 31 Jul 01:13PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Peter Roos, 31 Jul 04:49PM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - randall999, 31 Jul 01:48PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 01 Aug 10:13AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Chris Wimlett, 01 Aug 11:30AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 01 Aug 11:32AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Chris Wimlett, 01 Aug 12:40PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Ronald Pearl, 01 Aug 12:53PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 03 Aug 10:55AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 03 Aug 08:44PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 03 Aug 10:22PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 03 Aug 10:43PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 04 Aug 06:37AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Allan M. Sitar, 05 Aug 09:55PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 06 Aug 10:55AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 06 Aug 08:58PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 07 Aug 12:21AM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 07 Aug 12:33AM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 07 Aug 01:13PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 07 Aug 12:36PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Russell D, 07 Aug 12:41PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 07 Aug 01:13PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Russell D, 07 Aug 04:09PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Alison Wrenn, 07 Aug 05:59PM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 07 Aug 10:21PM

Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by Hugh Cain - 30 Jul 09:49PM
Having just listened to the sample page demonstrating the new Sibelius 7 sound library ... I am amazed that such a great product would be so poorly represented. Everything sounds like synthesized crap. Take the page down and start all over again. I own and use Sib6 and the Essentials library ... and I thought that library was a step in the right direction. But this is beyond belief.
To be fair I am listening to this on my iMac's speakers ... not through an expensive sound system ... however, an expensive system would only magnify the problem
I've been waiting on the release of the 7 version.
This experience will give me pause.
Sincerely,
Hugh Cain

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by Ronald Williams - 30 Jul 10:06PM
I totally agree. It sounds like crap. How disappointing!
Ron Williams

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by PaulK - 30 Jul 10:40PM (edited 30 Jul 10:40PM)
New demos of the sound library are being prepared.

See 28 July: 'Sib. 7.0: Am Imissing something re: the new sounds?'

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by ttdawg - 30 Jul 11:10PM
I thought it was just me....or maybe the Sib 7 sounds were not active until you buy the program. I tried to find where the new sounds are located, but could not find them in the mixer or the setup configuration - but I am still finding my way around this new menu ribbon.

I hope this is just a setup problem and I am not hearing the true Sib 7 sound set....otherwise I will have to rethink upgrading.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by Allan M. Sitar - 31 Jul 12:21AM
YES, very suspicious. Instead of the WOW-factor that we expected I also hear something of a 1998 MIDI file. I am wondering about this 'AVID orchestra' and their Purple colour scheme. If you listen to any other Sound Library's site (eg. Garritan) you would think that should about the level of quality involved.
Seems to me the good folks at Sibelius have their hands now tied behind the AVID marketing machine. Maybe there is an explanation.....

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by David - 31 Jul 03:49AM
The percussion one sounds good. Part of it (only part of it) is the excerpts that were chosen: Schubert chamber music is not going to wow anyone with synths/samples.

Has anyone actually purchased it and downloaded the samples?

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by Steve Philipp - 31 Jul 05:45AM (edited 31 Jul 05:47AM)
> I thought it was just me....or maybe the Sib 7 sounds were not active until you buy the program. I tried to find where the new sounds are located, but could not find them in the mixer or the setup configuration - but I am still finding my way around this new menu ribbon.
>
> I hope this is just a setup problem and I am not hearing the true Sib 7 sound set....otherwise I will have to rethink upgrading.


You're not going to get them with the demo...
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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Bill Wandel - 31 Jul 12:37PM
I was initially excited about the prospect of a totally new professional (38 gig) orchestral sound library in Sibelius until I heard the first few bars of the demos. They sound like they were produced around the era of the Proteus, circa 1991. I can honestly say, I've never heard a poorer representation of orchestral music than this, which raises serious trust issues for me with AVID. First protools 9, and now this? I'm scared to death about the future of my favorite software.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Ronald Pearl - 31 Jul 01:13PM
Keep in mind that we can use whatever libraries we did with version 6. I, too, was excited about the possibility of a new/easily integrated set of samples, and agree that the demos were less than compelling. Let's wait and see what really can be done with them; I suspect that this was more an issue of rushing things (demos) to market. I am certain the the beta-testers tried the library extensively, so it must have passed some level/layer of approval. At least from the few days worth of preceding threads about the notational aspect have been positive. I know we all have in the backs of our minds the specter of Avid somehow spoiling Sibelius. Let's hope this was a just a minor oversight.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Peter Roos - 31 Jul 04:49PM
> I was initially excited about the prospect of a totally new professional (38 gig) orchestral sound library in Sibelius until I heard the first few bars of the demos. They sound like they were produced around the era of the Proteus, circa 1991. I can honestly say, I've never heard a poorer representation of orchestral music than this, which raises serious trust issues for me with AVID. First protools 9, and now this? I'm scared to death about the future of my favorite software.

A little OT but Pro Tools 9 is an improvement over its predecessor in many ways, including no longer having to run on Avid hardware interfaces.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library"
Posted by randall999 - 31 Jul 01:48PM

> You're not going to get them with the demo...
> --

I came to that conclusion also. The demo download was a very small file. The full upgrade version boasts 65GB or so of sound libs, so there is no way that is in the demo download. Looking forward to hearing the sounds that come with the full boxed Sib 7.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 01 Aug 10:13AM
I posted a couple of new demos yesterday, and three more will be on their way in the next couple of days. In particular, try 'Awakening' by Benoit Ranucci, the first demo here:

http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/7/professional_sound_library.html

I'm sorry that the demos I posted weren't up to scratch. Blame my own incompetence rather than the quality of the sounds, which I can assure you are really excellent.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Chris Wimlett - 01 Aug 11:30AM
Hi Daniel,

They do sound much better. As a matter of interest, were they produced entirely with the effects available from within Sibelius? Also, as I guess you're probably a lot more expert in Sibelius than the rest of us, how much tweaking was needed to produce these sounds.

A final point, as 'Awakening' gives a good idea of the big, Hollywood style sound, will you be able to produce similar samples of smaller, classical/romantic types of orchestra. I'm definitely very attracted by the idea of having a high quality orchestra available in Sibelius.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 01 Aug 11:32AM
The samples posted on the web site were produced entirely within Sibelius, using the standard effects provided.

The sound library includes chamber strings as well as tutti and solo strings, so you can write for smaller ensembles.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Chris Wimlett - 01 Aug 12:40PM
Thanks Daniel, that's great.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Ronald Pearl - 01 Aug 12:53PM
So much better!

Keep them coming.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by brett.r - 03 Aug 10:55AM
> The samples posted on the web site were produced entirely within Sibelius, using the standard effects provided.
>
> The sound library includes chamber strings as well as tutti and solo strings, so you can write for smaller ensembles.
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> Contact Sibelius technical help online:
> http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html
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> Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply):
> USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106
> UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997
> Australia: 1300 652 172
> Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support

Daniel...how do you access the chamber strings rather than a larger string ensemble?

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 03 Aug 08:44PM
The simplest way is to choose the 'Sibelius 7 Sounds (Chamber)' playback configuration rather than the regular 'Sibelius 7 Sounds' configuration.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by brett.r - 03 Aug 10:22PM
Thanks Daniel.

I'd like to use them in some theatre type arrangements I'm doing as the size is more realistic. Is there a way to add them to an existing score?

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 03 Aug 10:43PM
Sure. Just choose e.g. 'Violins chamber' from the Mixer, and the corresponding sounds for the other string instruments.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by brett.r - 04 Aug 06:37AM
Thanks!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Allan M. Sitar - 05 Aug 09:55PM
...hallelujah , there WAS an explanation!
The quality is much better.
Thanks Daniel!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by David Owen - 06 Aug 10:55AM
From what I can hear from the few demos, I have to agree that the first few posts seem to have got it right. The Schubert and Mozart examples for instance are truly dire and hardly anything is even remotely decent. But if Daniel says the sounds themselves are good then perhaps it's a matter of just learning how best to use them --of course it's early days and no-one will have had much time yet.

Question --is it possible just to install the required instruments/sections or do we have to put on all the 38 Gb or nothing. it's a lot of hard drive space!

In general, unlike some others, I do like the new ribbon look of Sib 7 but am disappointed that, apart from 64 bit support which is genuinely useful (jBridge is good but not having to use it seems more memory efficient), there doesn't seem to be much else of real significance. A lot could still be done on tweaking the playback engine to give more natural results for instance -nothing's happened here since v5 that I can see. If it has, please point out the new features. Perhaps I'm too fussy. Even without the questionable new library, there's probably enough to be worth the upgrade.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 06 Aug 08:58PM
You can't install only part of the library, I'm afraid. It's all or nothing. (If you really wanted to, you could hack the sound set XML file and then delete the samples that are not in use, but this is sufficiently difficult as to be impractical for an average user to do, and is not something our support team would be willing to support in any case.)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by brett.r - 07 Aug 12:21AM
There are some clicks in the piano attack from D below middle C through F# at lower velocities. Not a massive problem, but shows a little sloppiness and is annoying in solo piano works.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by brett.r - 07 Aug 12:33AM
also noticed some not as prominent near C above middle C. Needs a re-edit by the look of things.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 07 Aug 01:13PM
Yes, Brett, we're aware of those little clicks and we will have an update that fixes this in due course.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by David Owen - 07 Aug 12:36PM
> You can't install only part of the library, I'm afraid. It's all or nothing. (If you really wanted to, you could hack the sound set XML file and then delete the samples that are not in use, but this is sufficiently difficult as to be impractical for an average user to do, and is not something our support team would be willing to support in any case.)
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Don't worry, Daniel -- hacking the soundset is not something I'm planning to do, far less trying to work out which samples to remove! Most likely I'll get the upgrade and see from feedback and from the demos if the Avid library seems worth putting in. It would be great actually if a little money could be saved by offering a version without any samples at all but I suspect that Avid is not planning that!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Russell D - 07 Aug 12:41PM
> It would be great actually if a little money could be saved by offering a version without any samples at all

You're not the only one to suggest that. Perhaps we should have a petition? :)

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Daniel formerly at Sibelius - 07 Aug 01:13PM
We think that the upgrade cost from a previous version of Sibelius is very reasonable!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Russell D - 07 Aug 04:09PM
I'm sure it is, if you want all of it! Since I'm only using the sib 7 itself, most of the upgrade is waste.

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by Alison Wrenn - 07 Aug 05:59PM
> We think that the upgrade cost from a previous version of Sibelius is very reasonable!
>

Shame there's no discount/waiver for people who bought their first copy of Sibelius (6.2) within the last 3 months as they didn't know that a new version was about to be launched! Took me ages to bite the bullet and spend the £XXX, to then have to spend a further £100+ was infuriating to say the least!

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Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7
Posted by David Owen - 07 Aug 10:21PM
the upgrade cost could be a bargain if the sounds are worthwhile but even without them, it does seem a little cheaper than last time round. And I'm increasingly warming to 7 I have to admit with more useful features being discovered even though the dream of having even a basic GUI for at least CC1 and velocity seems as far off as ever (ok --with many instruments you don't actually need to programme the mod wheel so for many it's probably not a big issue)and more control over the performance style parameters. maybe in Sibelius 8 (which I hope will actually be completed and not destroyed --what will the music be??)

In summary, yes, I have to say the upgrade price is reasonable if perhaps not one of the best in the music world. And by bringing out a new version only every two years, there is more genuine new content than in quite a lot of other software I can think of

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Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Hugh Cain, 30 Jul 09:49PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Ronald Williams, 30 Jul 10:06PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - PaulK, 30 Jul 10:40PM
     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - ttdawg, 30 Jul 11:10PM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Allan M. Sitar, 31 Jul 12:21AM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David, 31 Jul 03:49AM
         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - Steve Philipp, 31 Jul 05:45AM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Bill Wandel, 31 Jul 12:37PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Ronald Pearl, 31 Jul 01:13PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Peter Roos, 31 Jul 04:49PM
             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" - randall999, 31 Jul 01:48PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 01 Aug 10:13AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Chris Wimlett, 01 Aug 11:30AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 01 Aug 11:32AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Chris Wimlett, 01 Aug 12:40PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Ronald Pearl, 01 Aug 12:53PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 03 Aug 10:55AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 03 Aug 08:44PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 03 Aug 10:22PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 03 Aug 10:43PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 04 Aug 06:37AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Allan M. Sitar, 05 Aug 09:55PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 06 Aug 10:55AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 06 Aug 08:58PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 07 Aug 12:21AM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - brett.r, 07 Aug 12:33AM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 07 Aug 01:13PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 07 Aug 12:36PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Russell D, 07 Aug 12:41PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Daniel formerly at Sibelius, 07 Aug 01:13PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Russell D, 07 Aug 04:09PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - Alison Wrenn, 07 Aug 05:59PM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 - David Owen, 07 Aug 10:21PM