Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by Hugh Cain - 30 Jul 09:49PM Hide picture Having just listened to the sample page demonstrating the new Sibelius 7 sound library ... I am amazed that such a great product would be so poorly represented. Everything sounds like synthesized crap. Take the page down and start all over again. I own and use Sib6 and the Essentials library ... and I thought that library was a step in the right direction. But this is beyond belief. To be fair I am listening to this on my iMac's speakers ... not through an expensive sound system ... however, an expensive system would only magnify the problem I've been waiting on the release of the 7 version. This experience will give me pause. Sincerely, Hugh Cain Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by Ronald Williams - 30 Jul 10:06PM Hide picture I totally agree. It sounds like crap. How disappointing! Ron Williams Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by PaulK - 30 Jul 10:40PM (edited 30 Jul 10:40PM) Hide picture New demos of the sound library are being prepared. See 28 July: 'Sib. 7.0: Am Imissing something re: the new sounds?' Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by ttdawg - 30 Jul 11:10PM Hide picture I thought it was just me....or maybe the Sib 7 sounds were not active until you buy the program. I tried to find where the new sounds are located, but could not find them in the mixer or the setup configuration - but I am still finding my way around this new menu ribbon. I hope this is just a setup problem and I am not hearing the true Sib 7 sound set....otherwise I will have to rethink upgrading. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by Allan M. Sitar - 31 Jul 12:21AM Hide picture YES, very suspicious. Instead of the WOW-factor that we expected I also hear something of a 1998 MIDI file. I am wondering about this 'AVID orchestra' and their Purple colour scheme. If you listen to any other Sound Library's site (eg. Garritan) you would think that should about the level of quality involved. Seems to me the good folks at Sibelius have their hands now tied behind the AVID marketing machine. Maybe there is an explanation..... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by David - 31 Jul 03:49AM Hide picture The percussion one sounds good. Part of it (only part of it) is the excerpts that were chosen: Schubert chamber music is not going to wow anyone with synths/samples. Has anyone actually purchased it and downloaded the samples? -- 6.2, Windows 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by Steve - 31 Jul 05:45AM (edited 31 Jul 05:47AM) Hide picture > I thought it was just me....or maybe the Sib 7 sounds were not active until you buy the program. I tried to find where the new sounds are located, but could not find them in the mixer or the setup configuration - but I am still finding my way around this new menu ribbon. > > I hope this is just a setup problem and I am not hearing the true Sib 7 sound set....otherwise I will have to rethink upgrading. You're not going to get them with the demo... -- Sibelius 6.2, iMac - Snow Leopard and Dell XPS 420 - Windows 7. 2011. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Bill Wandel - 31 Jul 12:37PM Hide picture I was initially excited about the prospect of a totally new professional (38 gig) orchestral sound library in Sibelius until I heard the first few bars of the demos. They sound like they were produced around the era of the Proteus, circa 1991. I can honestly say, I've never heard a poorer representation of orchestral music than this, which raises serious trust issues for me with AVID. First protools 9, and now this? I'm scared to death about the future of my favorite software. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Ronald Pearl - 31 Jul 01:13PM Hide picture Keep in mind that we can use whatever libraries we did with version 6. I, too, was excited about the possibility of a new/easily integrated set of samples, and agree that the demos were less than compelling. Let's wait and see what really can be done with them; I suspect that this was more an issue of rushing things (demos) to market. I am certain the the beta-testers tried the library extensively, so it must have passed some level/layer of approval. At least from the few days worth of preceding threads about the notational aspect have been positive. I know we all have in the backs of our minds the specter of Avid somehow spoiling Sibelius. Let's hope this was a just a minor oversight. -- Ron Pearl 6.1 (and will be for a while) http://www.ronaldmpearl.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Peter Roos - 31 Jul 04:49PM Hide picture > I was initially excited about the prospect of a totally new professional (38 gig) orchestral sound library in Sibelius until I heard the first few bars of the demos. They sound like they were produced around the era of the Proteus, circa 1991. I can honestly say, I've never heard a poorer representation of orchestral music than this, which raises serious trust issues for me with AVID. First protools 9, and now this? I'm scared to death about the future of my favorite software. A little OT but Pro Tools 9 is an improvement over its predecessor in many ways, including no longer having to run on Avid hardware interfaces. -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 "Sound Library" Posted by randall999 - 31 Jul 01:48PM Hide picture > You're not going to get them with the demo... > -- I came to that conclusion also. The demo download was a very small file. The full upgrade version boasts 65GB or so of sound libs, so there is no way that is in the demo download. Looking forward to hearing the sounds that come with the full boxed Sib 7. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 01 Aug 10:13AM Hide picture I posted a couple of new demos yesterday, and three more will be on their way in the next couple of days. In particular, try 'Awakening' by Benoit Ranucci, the first demo here: http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/7/professional_sound_library.html I'm sorry that the demos I posted weren't up to scratch. Blame my own incompetence rather than the quality of the sounds, which I can assure you are really excellent. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Chris Wimlett - 01 Aug 11:30AM Hide picture Hi Daniel, They do sound much better. As a matter of interest, were they produced entirely with the effects available from within Sibelius? Also, as I guess you're probably a lot more expert in Sibelius than the rest of us, how much tweaking was needed to produce these sounds. A final point, as 'Awakening' gives a good idea of the big, Hollywood style sound, will you be able to produce similar samples of smaller, classical/romantic types of orchestra. I'm definitely very attracted by the idea of having a high quality orchestra available in Sibelius. Chris -- Sibelius 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.6.7, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 01 Aug 11:32AM Hide picture The samples posted on the web site were produced entirely within Sibelius, using the standard effects provided. The sound library includes chamber strings as well as tutti and solo strings, so you can write for smaller ensembles. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Chris Wimlett - 01 Aug 12:40PM Hide picture Thanks Daniel, that's great. -- Sibelius 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6, Mac OS X 10.6.7, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Ronald Pearl - 01 Aug 12:53PM Hide picture So much better! Keep them coming. -- Ron Pearl 6.1 (and will be for while to come - sigh...) http://www.ronaldmpearl.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by brett.r - 03 Aug 10:55AM Hide picture > The samples posted on the web site were produced entirely within Sibelius, using the standard effects provided. > > The sound library includes chamber strings as well as tutti and solo strings, so you can write for smaller ensembles. > > -- > Contact Sibelius technical help online: > http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html > > Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): > USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 > UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 > Australia: 1300 652 172 > Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Daniel...how do you access the chamber strings rather than a larger string ensemble? -- Sibelius 6.2, Mac, Kontakt 4.22, EWQLSO Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 03 Aug 08:44PM Hide picture The simplest way is to choose the 'Sibelius 7 Sounds (Chamber)' playback configuration rather than the regular 'Sibelius 7 Sounds' configuration. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by brett.r - 03 Aug 10:22PM Hide picture Thanks Daniel. I'd like to use them in some theatre type arrangements I'm doing as the size is more realistic. Is there a way to add them to an existing score? -- Sibelius 6.2, Mac, Kontakt 4.22, EWQLSO Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 03 Aug 10:43PM Hide picture Sure. Just choose e.g. 'Violins chamber' from the Mixer, and the corresponding sounds for the other string instruments. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by brett.r - 04 Aug 06:37AM Hide picture Thanks! -- Sibelius 6.2, Mac, Kontakt 4.22, EWQLSO Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Allan M. Sitar - 05 Aug 09:55PM Hide picture ...hallelujah , there WAS an explanation! The quality is much better. Thanks Daniel! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by David Owen - 06 Aug 10:55AM Hide picture From what I can hear from the few demos, I have to agree that the first few posts seem to have got it right. The Schubert and Mozart examples for instance are truly dire and hardly anything is even remotely decent. But if Daniel says the sounds themselves are good then perhaps it's a matter of just learning how best to use them --of course it's early days and no-one will have had much time yet. Question --is it possible just to install the required instruments/sections or do we have to put on all the 38 Gb or nothing. it's a lot of hard drive space! In general, unlike some others, I do like the new ribbon look of Sib 7 but am disappointed that, apart from 64 bit support which is genuinely useful (jBridge is good but not having to use it seems more memory efficient), there doesn't seem to be much else of real significance. A lot could still be done on tweaking the playback engine to give more natural results for instance -nothing's happened here since v5 that I can see. If it has, please point out the new features. Perhaps I'm too fussy. Even without the questionable new library, there's probably enough to be worth the upgrade. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 06 Aug 08:58PM Hide picture You can't install only part of the library, I'm afraid. It's all or nothing. (If you really wanted to, you could hack the sound set XML file and then delete the samples that are not in use, but this is sufficiently difficult as to be impractical for an average user to do, and is not something our support team would be willing to support in any case.) -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by brett.r - 07 Aug 12:21AM Hide picture There are some clicks in the piano attack from D below middle C through F# at lower velocities. Not a massive problem, but shows a little sloppiness and is annoying in solo piano works. -- Sibelius 6.2, Mac, Kontakt 4.22, EWQLSO Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by brett.r - 07 Aug 12:33AM Hide picture also noticed some not as prominent near C above middle C. Needs a re-edit by the look of things. -- Sibelius 6.2, Mac, Kontakt 4.22, EWQLSO Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 07 Aug 01:13PM Hide picture Yes, Brett, we're aware of those little clicks and we will have an update that fixes this in due course. -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by David Owen - 07 Aug 12:36PM Hide picture > You can't install only part of the library, I'm afraid. It's all or nothing. (If you really wanted to, you could hack the sound set XML file and then delete the samples that are not in use, but this is sufficiently difficult as to be impractical for an average user to do, and is not something our support team would be willing to support in any case.) > > -- Don't worry, Daniel -- hacking the soundset is not something I'm planning to do, far less trying to work out which samples to remove! Most likely I'll get the upgrade and see from feedback and from the demos if the Avid library seems worth putting in. It would be great actually if a little money could be saved by offering a version without any samples at all but I suspect that Avid is not planning that! David Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Russell D - 07 Aug 12:41PM Hide picture > It would be great actually if a little money could be saved by offering a version without any samples at all You're not the only one to suggest that. Perhaps we should have a petition? :) -- Sibelius 7.0 AMD Quad-core 9950, Vista x64, 4 GB RAM, Creative X-Fi Titanium Kontakt 3.5, EWQLSO Gold, EWQLSC, Wordbuilder Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 07 Aug 01:13PM Hide picture We think that the upgrade cost from a previous version of Sibelius is very reasonable! -- Contact Sibelius technical help online: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html Contact Sibelius technical help by phone (charges may apply): USA & Canada: +1 650-731-6106 UK: +44 (0)20 7561 7997 Australia: 1300 652 172 Other countries: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Russell D - 07 Aug 04:09PM Hide picture I'm sure it is, if you want all of it! Since I'm only using the sib 7 itself, most of the upgrade is waste. -- Sibelius 7.0 AMD Quad-core 9950, Vista x64, 4 GB RAM, Creative X-Fi Titanium Kontakt 3.5, EWQLSO Gold, EWQLSC, Wordbuilder Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by Alison Wrenn - 07 Aug 05:59PM Hide picture > We think that the upgrade cost from a previous version of Sibelius is very reasonable! > Shame there's no discount/waiver for people who bought their first copy of Sibelius (6.2) within the last 3 months as they didn't know that a new version was about to be launched! Took me ages to bite the bullet and spend the £XXX, to then have to spend a further £100+ was infuriating to say the least! -- New to Sibelius! Running Sib 7 on Windows Vista. www.alisonwrenn.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.0: Sibelius 7 Posted by David Owen - 07 Aug 10:21PM Hide picture the upgrade cost could be a bargain if the sounds are worthwhile but even without them, it does seem a little cheaper than last time round. And I'm increasingly warming to 7 I have to admit with more useful features being discovered even though the dream of having even a basic GUI for at least CC1 and velocity seems as far off as ever (ok --with many instruments you don't actually need to programme the mod wheel so for many it's probably not a big issue)and more control over the performance style parameters. maybe in Sibelius 8 (which I hope will actually be completed and not destroyed --what will the music be??) In summary, yes, I have to say the upgrade price is reasonable if perhaps not one of the best in the music world. And by bringing out a new version only every two years, there is more genuine new content than in quite a lot of other software I can think of David -- AMD quad core, 6Gb RAM, windows 7 64 bit Sibelius 6, Cubase studio 4, Vienna SE etc Back to top | All threads